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I hear ya brother!!.  Spending too much time on the road this is teh most unfit i have been starting a season.  Good job the first race weekend is GS, don't think I could run a full length slalom!

post #3 of 26

It works fine, you just need to man up and ski the next  day, your legs will catch up.

 

Unless you are over 65...

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No, it's not "getting old" that sucks.  "Getting old" is not why your legs are toast.  Your legs are toast because you were out of shape and you over did it.  

 

I'm 46.  For the last ten years I attributed some aches and pains in the legs and knees to "getting old."  During the last two years I've been exercising a lot.  A half hour ago I just finished an 8 mile run.  And for the last year all those aches and pains that I had attributed to "getting old" have vanished!  My legs feel younger now and more fit than they did 10 years ago!

 

So I know I'm being picky by focusing on your comment.  I just wanted to point out that American society resigns itself to "getting old" as the problem.  We're a youth obsessed nation. The truth is getting out of shape is the problem.

 

People are so out of shape.  Just watch a baseball game on TV and when the camera pans to the crowds, ALL of them are out of shape. Age is not their problem.

 

For most people "exercise" is something that stops in high school and doesn't start up again until a person has his first heart attack and the doctor's order him to do it.

 

Age is just a number!  

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What NYCJim said.  I'm 42 and used the same "getting old" excuse for the spare tire around my midsection, my waning cardiovascular health, the pain in my joints and the increasing recovery times for physical activity. 

 

Then six years ago I dropped the excuses and got serious about getting healthy, started working out minimum 4x per week, began watching my calories and eating right, dropped 20+ pounds and haven't been in this great of shape since I was 15 years old.  The joints don't hurt any more, no more lower back problems, my stamina has increased significantly, and I can go several days in a row of intense physical activity without my body giving out.  In fact the biggest fitness problem I have is fatigue from overtraining, and then I just take 2 weeks off, rest up, and get back at it.

 

Don't use the age excuse!  Push yourself hard, remain disciplined, and stay in shape 365 days a year (you can take a day off in the leap years  :) ) and you'll be amazed how young you feel year-round.

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No, it's not "getting old" that sucks.  "Getting old" is not why your legs are toast.  Your legs are toast because you were out of shape and you over did it.  

 

I'm 46.  For the last ten years I attributed some aches and pains in the legs and knees to "getting old."  During the last two years I've been exercising a lot.  A half hour ago I just finished an 8 mile run.  And for the last year all those aches and pains that I had attributed to "getting old" have vanished!  My legs feel younger now and more fit than they did 10 years ago!

 

So I know I'm being picky by focusing on your comment.  I just wanted to point out that American society resigns itself to "getting old" as the problem.  We're a youth obsessed nation. The truth is getting out of shape is the problem.

 

People are so out of shape.  Just watch a baseball game on TV and when the camera pans to the crowds, ALL of them are out of shape. Age is not their problem.

 

For most people "exercise" is something that stops in high school and doesn't start up again until a person has his first heart attack and the doctor's order him to do it.

 

Age is just a number!  



Agree, youth is good but getting old is no excuse.  I am 68 and have skied 4 days to far, 3 of them in powder.  Today skied to the Freeway and loving it.  Lost 19 lbs this summer and feeling a lot better.  The only thing I do like is Silver and Lookout don't have any high speed quads and that gives my legs a little time to rest on the way up.

 

Slider, hows Bachelor ?

post #7 of 26

You can ski into shape.  Just plan on doing less time on snow the first few days. 

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That's what I do, I admit it.  I just gradually increase the number of runs and ignore any vertical goals for the first seven or eight days.  I certainly don't start out with 12 runs.  I might do five and go home, come back the next day, do 7, then third day do 10.  It takes a week or 10 days, but after that I'm good. 

 

I know I should be staying in shape over the summer, but I get migraines and spend a lot of time in a dark room in the off season.  I always say I have two seasons, ski season and migraine season. 
 

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You can ski into shape.  Just plan on doing less time on snow the first few days. 

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Don't do it. 12 runs in 2 hours and the legs were toast. 2 days later the legs are recovering slowly. Going tomorrow hope the legs hold out for a few hours.frown.gif Getting old sucks.

Tomorrow will be worse. The second day after burning out is usually worse.  Take time to enjoy the scenery, stop halfway down a couple of times to gapercizeredface.gif
 

post #10 of 26

wow, so is 65 the new 50?  "Unless you are over 65..."

 

agree that a number is simply a number, but I would also say that when your body talks you should listen.  Significant stabbing sharp pain sometimes can't be ignored, no matter how tough you are...I guess especially if it is radiating pain dow the left arm smile.gif.  I work around issues, like most of us do...general core strength-building efforts and a good aerobic program of exercise can allow you to stay active, far past when your parents gave up on an active lifestyle.  After I retired from the Army six years ago I did nothing for about 15 months -- it was no fun coming back and it took at least 3 months till I was back in a strong routine w/o major pain the next day.   

 

So far an easy 6 run day at A basin and a slightly longer 10 run day at Keystone.  I cheat by generally sticking to the groomed stuff; and living in Denver and only climbing 4.5K to the parking lot, unlike folks who fly in from FL or NYC.  I would say my only pain was in the thighs (something I attribute to lazy backseat runs) but was not exactly up late those nights either.  Tomorow weather.com says 36 degrees at Breck, so we just have to go ski.gif

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Another thing, don't start out with hard SL turns.  Just go straighter and faster with your GS or SG skis devil.gif

post #12 of 26

46, 42...?   You pussies.

Old?

That and a 23 year old kid using the expression ,"back in the day".

Hey kid, you don't have a back in the day....

post #13 of 26

Let's not forget that George Foreman won the heavyweight boxing championship at the age of 45. 

Anybody ever hear of Jack Rabbit Johansen.

 

and then there's this

 

The Canadian Ski Marathon from Pointe Claire, Quebec, to
Ottawa, Ontario, a distance of about 190 kms, is launched in
1967 to celebrate Canada's one hundredth year of Confederation.
Jackrabbit Johanssen accompanied by several member of his
family completes the marathon at the age of 92.

 

http://www.skimuseum.ca/bios/web_Smith-Johannsen_Herman.pdf

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So yesterday was my third day out this season, the first 3 days were short ones, but were needed to pinpoint some bootwork that needed to be done (jesus what some good bootwork can do for you). Yesterday I charged bell to bell. Thanks to crossfit. Next year will be even better. Pow day tomorrow!

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Age is more than just a number. When your young your never out of shape.smile.gif

Let's see how long we last today.

post #16 of 26

First turns yesterday, my legs are fried, I'm sticking to the 'getting old' excuse! wink.gif

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This season kind of scares me.  60 is in the headlights, and try to stay in pretty good shape but this fall tossed a bit of a curve-ball.  Went from 4xweek workouts to next to nothing due to out of town work.  Living temporarily in Eastern WY in a 5th wheel with no transport to the gym for 6 weeks is taking its' toll.  Don't look forward to the pain on the return.  Trying to get in some push-up, crunches, stretching, balance stuff, and isometrics every day (that is about all there is space for).  Normally put about an hour of aerobics into my workouts, and it is all gone too.  This project is slated to last another 3 weeks, and I can feel the muscle mass and lung capacity decreasing.

 

My plan is to make the gym, at a reduced level , for a few days till I KNOW I'm good for a couple of miles before heading for the mountain.  That is the plan but sounds like it has been dumping pretty good at home and that will take a lot of will power to stay away from.  I ski at a moderately high level normally, but not particularly fast.   Do you think this is a reasonably safe approach till all of the parts start getting back together?

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This season kind of scares me.  60 is in the headlights,



Snap out of it Stranger!

It's not as if you were skiing a 190 km marathon at 92 years of age.  Plus you have gravity pushing you down the hill all the way.  Just don't make too many turns the first few days. biggrin.gif

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luckily for all of us there are tons of FREE and useful info on the internet for ski conditioning...

just go onto google or youtube, for instance, and type in ski conditioning for free exercises and tips (some are better than others of course)

.http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=hp&biw=853&bih=404&q=you+tube+ski+conditioning&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=f37ce9b060ca394

 

2nd, don't use age as an excuse: sure things get more demanding as we 'age' but that's the onus to keep in shape as a priority even more

......as my signature from the late great George Burns goes: 'There's nothing wrong with getting older...just don't let yourself GROW old.'icon14.gif(read: keep fit, keep moving, keep growing, taking chances, reaching outside your 'comfort zones'...and thus pay even more attention to your health and overall mental/emotional/physical fitness)

 

 

and to share with you, I'm about to ''try out'' for a ski club (club linc at whistler)  that has more advanced skiers than I do (hopefully one group will be more my lower tier ability)...they do alot of offpiste, for example, and I'm not familiar with that...i was thinking of pussying out and not trying it...but you know I have to walk the walk...at least try it.(i'm 48) and I have been focusing on better ski conditioning myself and also buying more suitable skis...so no excuses for me.

 

cheers and happy skiing
 

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Don't do it. 12 runs in 2 hours and the legs were toast. 2 days later the legs are recovering slowly. Going tomorrow hope the legs hold out for a few hours.frown.gif Getting old sucks.

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I don't need some Goggle idiot to tell me how to get in shape  and don't use U Tube to learn anything.  Damn I must be an old fart.   Does the 4th day on skis, Yesterday, and skiing OB to the freeway count for anything.  Well who cares it was fun in boot deep powder and Van and I got lst tracks for the year.  And on the old fart issue, my ski bud Van has been fighting lympoma all summer and is on his last of 6 chemos this Monday.  He made lst chair for the season at Lookout and we skied to the freeway yesterday and hitched a ride back to the lodge/bar-bought him a Moosedrool.  Now thats getting in shape.  Let me search my pic's and see if I can find a picture of him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vans on the left, this pic was taken a Taghee 2 years ago at Gathering.  Lto R Van St Maries, John Couer d Alene, Ted Auburn Calif and  (oop forget name) from Reno

Tetons in background.         Vans my best friend and quite a guy, one more Chemo and the prognosis is pretty good.   We have skied 4 days so far and he is staying in shape.

 

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post #21 of 26

With some of the great opennings the west is having this year. I don't care how good of shape your in, if you charge all day, your going to be sore.

 

 

 

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no you're not an old fart...your reply to my suggestions made me laugh...hey whatever turns your crank..but you get the point (and I also get yours with a slap up my head,lol snowfight.gif   ...i wish you many many tracks of great skiing this yr.

 

...got out today 1st time in season...wow...so nice to find my conditioning and paying attention to stance is helping out..''initiate with toe, rememember fore, mid, aft...feel it....finish the turn.....''  (etc) so all good..

 

.last yr in contrast my 1st day out at silverstar resort in the okanagan (vernon bc) found my legs fu#king aching, such that i had to stop every 5 minutes to get down the hill in the end (read: i was in aft/sitting back too much out of fear/bad position, given the lack of knowledge that i have now)....

...sure burning thighs is good, but not too early on or to much  and not cramping as Ghost notes down below in other posts.

 

Fastforward to this yr: ''love it'' that in two separate bad falls I I broke one rib and fractured another ....and with these warwounds I feel more confident this year going forward....no one can say i haven't paid my ''lb of flesh'' ...getting back on the horse with my chin up and more knowledge under my belt (plus more suitable skis)

 

PS all the ver best to your bud, Van....hope he wins against the dreaded C dragon....sending him some best wishes.

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I don't need some Goggle idiot to tell me how to get in shape  and don't use U Tube to learn anything.  Damn I must be an old fart.   Does the 4th day on skis, Yesterday, and skiing OB to the freeway count for anything.  Well who cares it was fun in boot deep powder and Van and I got lst tracks for the year.  And on the old fart issue, my ski bud Van has been fighting lympoma all summer and is on his last of 6 chemos this Monday.  He made lst chair for the season at Lookout and we skied to the freeway yesterday and hitched a ride back to the lodge/bar-bought him a Moosedrool.  Now thats getting in shape.  Let me search my pic's and see if I can find a picture of him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vans on the left, this pic was taken a Taghee 2 years ago at Gathering.  Lto R Van St Maries, John Couer d Alene, Ted Auburn Calif and  (oop forget name) from Reno

Tetons in background.         Vans my best friend and quite a guy, one more Chemo and the prognosis is pretty good.   We have skied 4 days so far and he is staying in shape.

 

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Edited by canali - 11/28/10 at 9:57am
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canali,  good post-just having some fun-I can remember the burning thigh days when I was a new skier.  One of these days you will make a breakthrough and realize that skiing loose and relaxed really works and you will breath a sigh of relief.   The day will come, like you posts, like your enthusiasm, like your contributiion to epic.             

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canali,  good post-just having some fun-I can remember the burning thigh days when I was a new skier.  One of these days you will make a breakthrough and realize that skiing loose and relaxed really works and you will breath a sigh of relief.   The day will come, like you posts, like your enthusiasm, like your contributiion to epic.             

                    beercheer.gifsnowfalling.gif



I can remember the burning thigh days like it was last year.   Oh wait! It was last year.   

 

On the other hand, I can remember burning thighs mid-season 25 years ago as an advanced skier, from a single run at Tremblant. 

Burning thighs feel good.

Its the cramps I don't like.

post #25 of 26

A couple of years ago for our first outing we did the Team XTreme clinic at Targhee. At one point on day 3 I couldn't propel myself up a gully wall and fell backwards, blissfully resting in a heap, thankful for help to get up again. 

 

This year, we bought an elliptical trainer and the same thing happened as LaneMeyer describes:

 

 

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Then six years ago I dropped the excuses and got serious about getting healthy, started working out minimum 4x per week, began watching my calories and eating right, dropped 20+ pounds and haven't been in this great of shape since I was 15 years old.  The joints don't hurt any more, no more lower back problems, my stamina has increased significantly, and I can go several days in a row of intense physical activity without my body giving out.  In fact the biggest fitness problem I have is fatigue from overtraining, and then I just take 2 weeks off, rest up, and get back at it.

 

Don't use the age excuse!  Push yourself hard, remain disciplined, and stay in shape 365 days a year (you can take a day off in the leap years  :) ) and you'll be amazed how young you feel year-round.

I haven't skied yet this year, but when I do, I won't have to "ski myself into shape," so I figure I'll get quality reps right from the git-go, and no more humiliating, "I've fallen and I can't get up!" moments. 

post #26 of 26

Ghost: good point and well taken:

yes burn is ok...cramping, however, not good.

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canali,  good post-just having some fun-I can remember the burning thigh days when I was a new skier.  One of these days you will make a breakthrough and realize that skiing loose and relaxed really works and you will breath a sigh of relief.   The day will come, like you posts, like your enthusiasm, like your contributiion to epic.             

                    beercheer.gifsnowfalling.gif



 

Burning thighs feel good.

Its the cramps I don't like.

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