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Kastle MX88 and This Years MX98

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In an earlier thread it was indicated that there is too much overlap between last years 98 and 88 to justify having both.  What about this years 98 and 88? 

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Personally I think there is too much overlap here too. I currently have both. The MX88 is to be my GO TO ski for this season and I planned on getting a MX108 to complement it for powder days. In waiting for the skis to arrive I talked myself into getting a pair of "tweener" skis in the mid 90's for powder days (at Northstar) and use the MX108's for powder days at Squaw/A-Meadows where I would want a bigger ski. The first day at Northstar we had a nice amount of knee deep (in sections) snow and I took out the MX98's. I will say while the MX98 performed great, there was no conditions I was in that I wouldn't have been just as happy with the MX88. The MX98 is a nice complement for a MX78 (or FX84 for some) and the MX108 a good big brother for the MX88. 

 

So...If anyone wants a 2011 MX98 178 w/ 1/2 day on them....PM me. :wink:

post #3 of 27

I'm pretty sure that no manufacturer expects their customers to buy every ski they make. Sure the MX88, the FX94 and the MX98 have overlap... but the line makes perfect sense. The MX88 makes a great daily driver for bigger mountains or aggressive skiers, it is complimented by the MX108 for bigger days. The MX78 is a great daily driver for eastern skiers or skiers who value a quick turner on groomers, it is complimented by the FX94 or MX98 or the MX108. Buying the 88,94, 98 and 108 would be silly, sure, but the line isn't exactly hard to understand or full of overlap, they are all distinct models.

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Does Philpug need an Austrian Intervention?

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In an earlier thread it was indicated that there is too much overlap between last years 98 and 88 to justify having both.  What about this years 98 and 88? 



No way!  If you can afford them, get them.  Personally, I would rather own the 78 and 98 combo, though.  The 88 is much stiffer than the 98, and is better as a power crudbuster and all-around ski. The 98 is a bit turnier, and for mostly off-piste skiing only. I can see that being a great off-piste Bachelor ski, in general soft snow, where you may want some more float than the 88 gives you, and something that turns quicker as well.

 

Why not an 88 and 108?  88 will work most days, and days when it is deep (more than 12") step up to the MX108.

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In an earlier thread it was indicated that there is too much overlap between last years 98 and 88 to justify having both.  What about this years 98 and 88? 



FWIW, my quiver of Kastle is shaping up to be:

 

RX12 176cm

possibly MX78 176cm (probably too much overlap) with the RX

MX98 178cm

MX108 187cm

 

If I were only to get one, it would be the MX88, but the others are all a bit more specialized as quiver components. The MX98 may go as well, as I may opt for a cheaper AT ski.  I also have a superb 88mm ski in the Elan Apex, which will be my typical everyday ski.

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Originally Posted by birddog10 View Post

In an earlier thread it was indicated that there is too much overlap between last years 98 and 88 to justify having both.  What about this years 98 and 88? 



FWIW, my quiver of Kastle is shaping up to be:

 

RX12 176cm

possibly MX78 176cm (probably too much overlap) with the RX

MX98 178cm

MX108 187cm

 

If I were only to get one, it would be the MX88, but the others are all a bit more specialized as quiver components. The MX98 may go as well, as I may opt for a cheaper AT ski.  I also have a superb 88mm ski in the Elan Apex, which will be my typical everyday ski.



Nice quiver.  I have the MX88 in 178.  Am looking to compliment with a 108 in 187 but wondering if its too long for some less open CO areas.  That brought me to the 98 in 178...  The turkey is probably causing me to dream and overlap... 

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Originally Posted by birddog10 View Post

In an earlier thread it was indicated that there is too much overlap between last years 98 and 88 to justify having both.  What about this years 98 and 88? 



No way!  If you can afford them, get them.  Personally, I would rather own the 78 and 98 combo, though.  The 88 is much stiffer than the 98, and is better as a power crudbuster and all-around ski. The 98 is a bit turnier, and for mostly off-piste skiing only. I can see that being a great off-piste Bachelor ski, in general soft snow, where you may want some more float than the 88 gives you, and something that turns quicker as well.

 

Why not an 88 and 108?  88 will work most days, and days when it is deep (more than 12") step up to the MX108.


My thoughts too.

 

My quiver this year is:

mx78 168 - groomer/hard snow

mx98 178 ( new style) - daily driver for Vail

Rossi S7....the special days :)

post #9 of 27

How do you think the MX98 will compliment my Dynastar Eden Legends at 85 underfoot?  Dynastar is my everyday ski, need one for more powder days and float.

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^^^^ I would opt for something in the 105-115 range if I already had a 85 for daily driver. If you reaaally want a Kastle, then the MX108...

 

On the larger topic, agree about overlap issues, from what I've heard, even more overlap/parallelism next season. However suspect MX88 overlaps less with FX84/94 than with MX98, for instance.  Perhaps they have a "family line" concept, like Volkl's Goat/Chopstick/Kuro vs Mantra/Katana/new 115-ish with the sword name. In Kastle's case it would be MX/FX/LX; you'd sign on to one for similar feel/handling, then follow its increments (78-98, for instance) rather than crossing over and owning say a FX and a LX.  th_dunno-1[1].gif

post #11 of 27
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^^^^ I would opt for something in the 105-115 range if I already had a 85 for daily driver. If you reaaally want a Kastle, then the MX108...

 

On the larger topic, agree about overlap issues, from what I've heard, even more overlap/parallelism next season. However suspect MX88 overlaps less with FX84/94 than with MX98, for instance.  Perhaps they have a "family line" concept, like Volkl's Goat/Chopstick/Kuro vs Mantra/Katana/new 115-ish with the sword name. In Kastle's case it would be MX/FX/LX; you'd sign on to one for similar feel/handling, then follow its increments (78-98, for instance) rather than crossing over and owning say a FX and a LX.  th_dunno-1[1].gif


What Carla didn't mention, is she is 5'4". The 98 will be a fine complement to her 85's. 

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What Carla didn't mention, is she is 5'4". The 98 will be a fine complement to her 85's. 


Ah. As the ad says, this changes everything. Well, sorta. The 98 would indeed be a nice soft day ski, about as much float as a 110 for a typical male. OTOH, a lot of women use a 105-110 for pow. Depends on her weight and how fast she skis, since float is a function of weight, surface area, speed, and attack angle of the shovel, not skier height. I would say 98 to 100 for a more aggressive style, 105-110 for a more relaxed style. 

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^^^^ I would opt for something in the 105-115 range if I already had a 85 for daily driver. If you reaaally want a Kastle, then the MX108...

 

 


Agreed.

 

My wife is 130#, 5'2". Daily driver at Vail is 88mm underfoot. Her soft ski is a Rossi S110. I don't think there's enough "spread" between a mx98 and a 85mm Dyna to justify the cost. The fun factor goes up exponentially in soft snow with the wider/softer ski. Reverse camber helps too :)

 

YMMV, but just about everyone I know who has gone with an s7 style ski for soft snow grins ear to ear.

post #14 of 27

I beg to differ on it being enough of a spread. Trekchick has a FX84 as her daily driver and a MX98 as her big ski, the spread works well for her. 

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So many Kastles so little time!  I envy all of you with the multiple set ups of Kastle. It's all good Right?

post #16 of 27
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I beg to differ on it being enough of a spread. Trekchick has a FX84 as her daily driver and a MX98 as her big ski, the spread works well for her. 



no worries. opinions are good.

 

And while I have no doubt that "it works", I think there's a bigger grin factor to be gained by going wider/reverse camber for the soft stuff.

 

My wife went from a Solly gun around 100mm underfoot to the Rossi s110 this year for soft snow - no comparison. She has more fun on the Rossi, is faster and more confident. And she's a darned good skier.

post #17 of 27

Suspect that TC uses the FX84 for home and the MX98 for trips, yes? IMO the optimal width of a "spread" depends on how you plan to use the ski. If you want a somewhat fatter ski as a one ski quiver for softer conditions - and these will include a bit of everything, all you typically ski, but different snow - then agree that 15 mm or so (assuming similar everything else) is great. But if you want a dedicated pow ski, that you only pull out when it's been snowing, and aim for the backside, then at least 20 mm, and probably a different camber/shape. I would not take a dedicated pow ski as my only ski on a typical trip, while the MX98 would work beautifully. As Dawgcatching says, it's a compromise width. A 110 something is non-compromising, for better or worse. 

 

I also have a feeling that the float issue breaks down for women, in the sense that a smaller bodied woman will get plenty of float with a 98 mm, but enough of them are buying 105+ (the equivalent of a 120+ for a male) to make me wonder why. Perhaps women on the average ski more cautiously, so they have less lift, so they need more surface area than you'd expect?

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New here.  Looking for some input.  I am an advanced/expert skier, 5' 10" and 150 - 155lbs and am looking to add a wider ski to my quiver.  I ski mostly Colorado, Utah, and Wyoming and my current skis are Head SS 165 (rock ski), Head Icon TT 80 (66 waist) in 170, Head iM Monster 78 in 171.  I am going with either the Kastle MX 88 in 168 or the Kastle FX 94 in 176...having a hard time deciding.

Thx!

Mike

post #19 of 27
Hi everyone,
I am 230lbs, 41 years old race skiing habits guy and curuntly own the 2014 MX98 in 184 which I did ski last season but came back to a GS race stock 191 cm Elan.
I just came across a dirt cheap pair of 2013 MX88 in 188 cm so I started wandering wether it might bring me a different feeling than the MX98.
Should I go for it?
Thanks
Kiro
post #20 of 27
If you buy them, you'll either sell them or the 98's after a bit. If I owned the 98, I'd get an MX 83.
post #21 of 27
I assume you ski somewhere firm?
You probably would prefer the 88.
post #22 of 27

Yep,

I do ski 90% on hard groomers.

Anyone with more input on any notable differences between the 98(184) and the 88(188)?

 

What I clearly noticed on the 98 was how turny they were. When I wanted them to keep facing downhill they just kept on carving towards my sides.

post #23 of 27
That's why I like them! At 180lbs, They are my daily driver in Aspen. You should probably be on the 194.

I don't have much time on the Mx88, but if the price is right, you could always sell them if they don't fill the nitch.
post #24 of 27
Why would anyone want an 88 mm ski, let alone a 98, if they spend almost all their time on "hard groomers?"

There's a reason people still buy real carvers, y'know. If you think the 88's are cool arcing on groomers, try the 78's. Have owned both. No comparison.
post #25 of 27
Because sometimes it snows and you want a GS race ski with a little girth.

What's your travel ski?
post #26 of 27
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Why would anyone want an 88 mm ski, let alone a 98, if they spend almost all their time on "hard groomers?"

There's a reason people still buy real carvers, y'know. If you think the 88's are cool arcing on groomers, try the 78's. Have owned both. No comparison.

Because sometimes you can only afford 1 type of ski so you are trying to find the "SUV" or "Station Wagon/Mini-Van" of ski.  Typically that is a ski between 80-90 width.  Does it all..not necessarily does it well, but can ski all conditions.

 

I started out on a 75, then 77 width ski and quickly jumped up to 81 then 88 width because when it snowed (man made or mother nature), it wasn't pleasant on those groomers and I live on the east coast.  For me in east coast conditions I set out looking for a 80-90 width ski that has great icy conditions hold.  All other factors were second and I found a few skis that fit this well and work "all conditions" (east coast) well.

 

yes your 78 width skis would be better on freshly hair combed slopes, but if flakes start falling even if it is only an inch thick, you will wish you had something wider.  But this all comes down to personal preference as well.  I'm just trying to explain why someone would want a wider ski for groomed slopes.

post #27 of 27
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Why would anyone want an 88 mm ski, let alone a 98, if they spend almost all their time on "hard groomers?"

There's a reason people still buy real carvers, y'know. If you think the 88's are cool arcing on groomers, try the 78's. Have owned both. No comparison.
Got it man,
If you can offer the 78, longest size, for 80$ I'll be happy to turn down the 88 offer🤔
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