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post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 

Experts,

 

I need your advice. Just got new atomic rt ti 150. Everything looks ok execpt too much pressure on phalages of 3rd and 4th toes (if count from pollex). Is there any idea why it happens and how to solve it? Individual insoles are done already and they ar sligthly thinner the original ones.

post #2 of 28

Sounds like your boot is to narrow.  Most bootfitters will have the equipment to stretch the shell and or liner in that area to releave the pressure.

 

Btw, phalages  was not in the dictionary so I'm guessing at what you meant...cool.gif

 

Good luck,

 

Don

post #3 of 28

Is the pressure from the front sides or top?

 

Lou

post #4 of 28

it happens either because your foot is a little long/wide/high* (*delete as appropriate) for that area of the boot or you may being caught in the back seat, and shunting ther toes forward.....the Ti 150 has a big pile of plastic in the toe box which can be ground out, certainly at least 2-3mm can safely be removed without giving you extra ventilation, if you need more then punching the toe box out first before grinding will give a whole load more extra space.

 

what you need is a fitter who works with race boots a lot and knows what the limitations are

 

good luic getting it sorted

post #5 of 28
Thread Starter 


Lou, from top.
 

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Originally Posted by Lou Rosenfeld View Post

Is the pressure from the front sides or top?

 

Lou

post #6 of 28
Thread Starter 

CEM, Thank you!

 

It looks like my food a little bit too long. It is exactly 26,5 and I am in 25.0 TI (294 BSL). We do not have big choice of bootfitters here and all of them prefere punching.  I will talk to the best of them. It looks like my pollex is touching to boot even went it is tightly closed and it makes all toes curved.

 

Back seat is not the case I hope ;-) 

 

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post #7 of 28

Your boot is definitely short for your foot.  Stretching the shell you have is possible but tough and getting enough without grinding may not be possible.  The toe area plastic is quite thick.  Get them to grind it out carefully.  Also have them stretch your liner for length and toe height.  It can make quite a difference.

 

Lou

post #8 of 28

what lou & colin said +;

 

it is common in race boots like the 150 rt ti, that you will need to grind a healthy pocket for your heel bone. this will allow the foot to move back a few mm .

 

for the kind of room you are looking for, it may take a combination of heat stretching the toe box shape, grinding a heel pocket, and then fine tuning the toe box with more grinding.

 

even though you said that your footbed was thinner in the toes than the old one, i would still see what kind of volume reduction you could do, by thinning the footbed a bit more.

 

jim

post #9 of 28
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Thank you All!

post #10 of 28
Thread Starter 


Jim,

 

could you tell me how to understand does heel pocket require some work or it is ok? I do not feel any movments and afraind that working on heel pocket can add some.
 

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it is common in race boots like the 150 rt ti, that you will need to grind a healthy pocket for your heel bone. this will allow the foot to move back a few mm .

 

 

post #11 of 28

heel grind 2 to 4 mm, will allow the heel to come back 2 to 4mm. since the heel is connected to your toes, 2 to 4mm of spavce will be opened up in the toe box by moving your heel back in the shell. there is no negative here. besides, with that boot eventually your heel bone will start to bump the shell anyhow, so it is a long term win win for your toes and your heel bone.

 

jim

post #12 of 28

Remove your custom footbeds from the boots and put them in front of you on a flat surface.  Is the toe of the footbed flat on the surface or is it elevated?  If elevated it is driving your toes into the top of the toe area.  Heat the toe area of the footbed gently and push it flat.

 

Lou

post #13 of 28
Thread Starter 

Lou,

 

It is not flat because I have knees moved inside. To correct that and make my knees straight vertical foodbed is aligned. 

 

Best Regards,

 

Mikhail.

post #14 of 28
Thread Starter 

Dear Experts,

 

Next set of questions. After skiing one more time with these boots (atomic rt ti 150) I have found that my heel does not fit fully in heel pocket. It can be probably because I had surgery on my achilles. Is there any good advice here?

 

post #15 of 28

grind the inside of the boot, where you need more room, to get your foot back all the way.

 

or grind your heel, so that it is smaller, and fits better in the shell.

post #16 of 28

grindign the shell around the achillies notch will help let the foot shift into the right place, i had a customer a little while back where the shorted foot was jamming on the toe and th longer foot was fine...couldn't find the problem till he told me about his achilles injury, looked fine as first look, but when he flexed the tendon looked inflamed and almost popped off the back of his leg which pushed him forward in the boot

post #17 of 28
Thread Starter 

Dear All,

 

One more question here. After some bootfitting done I feel no troubles in my boots but every time after skiing I have found that my toes grew numb. It is not too cold here. And such feeling usualy disappears in one minute or less. Anyway I wonder - shoud I do anything with that such as as bootfitter to make more room there?

 

Best Regards!

post #18 of 28

mzy01:   maybe,   also a more supportive footbed, thinner socks, lowering the toe area of the footbed, OR grinding/punching the shell for the toe

post #19 of 28
Thread Starter 

Dave,

 

Thank you! Foodbed is very good ... made espesilly for me and also solving my X-legs. About more room - will try!

post #20 of 28
Thread Starter 

Next question in this thread ;-).

 

When I ski I feel that my little toe is pressed. Everything else is ok. So I think I need more room in toe area for the little toe. I am going to ask bootfitter to grind toe box. Is there any other ideas, recommendations?

post #21 of 28

be guided by the person who can see your feet and the boot, a slight grind there will do the trick or possibly stretch the shell, it all depends on the boot the foot and what has been done previously

post #22 of 28
Thread Starter 

CEM,

 

Thanks! Boot is Atomic RT TI 150, Nothing was done in toe area. Local bootfitter prefers heat stretch ing but I am afraid that grinding should work better.

post #23 of 28

why?

Lou

post #24 of 28
Thread Starter 

Lou,

 

Do not know, just feeling that after some extensive heat work plastic can change its structure.

post #25 of 28

Possibly, I'm not a chemist but don't lose track of the fact that everyone advising on this site uses stretching and that boots can be stretched far more than they can be ground.  Far more.

 

Lou

post #26 of 28
Thread Starter 

sure! I understand that. In my case I am talking about 1-2 mm.

post #27 of 28
Thread Starter 

Last weekend our local bootfitter was trying to stretch big toe area of my Atomic. It looked like it did not work well. Plastic became a little bit yellow and was moved only for a bit. I think it is because boot has thick plastic there. Is there any advice what king of grinding tools can be used for big toe area?

post #28 of 28
Thread Starter 

Experts - any response/advice please ;-)

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