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powder lovers: check out these uniquely shaped powder skis: garywayne skis (180mm underfoot)

post #1 of 22
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was reading 'mountain life' magazine here in vancouver (see link to article below to read it in full...very interesting)

and it featured this young innovative 28 yr old gent named  Sheldon Stockman who came up with these unique skis, what he calls ''the world's first omni-directional  schmearing utensil''--183 cm long, 180mm waisted, these have a rocker, a reverse sidecut AND an ''added 3rd sidecut curvature'' ...every side of the ski acts like a tip, he says....''it's basically like a giant spoon''.

 

of course he's had naysayers every step of the way, but it didn't deter him

(so kudos to being innovative and courageous in his vision)

 

..and he's proved them wrong, too, it seems.

 

link to magazine article is below so you can read it in full:

 

link to original mountain life article below:

 pg 26

 http://issuu.com/calypsodesign/docs/ml_fallwinter

his website has more information on the design: http://www.garywayneskis.com/garywayneskis.com/Home.html

 

below is a link to a video showing him in action (even on groomers...you can see how they're ''omni directional'' even: http://cm.mountainlifemag.ca/2010/11/garywayne-skis%E2%80%93-video/

 

he hopes to start more production later this yr but right now it's a boutique market (his own words).

 

what do you guys think, keeping an open mind?

 


 


Edited by canali - 12/5/10 at 6:48pm
post #2 of 22

Whatever you can say about the skis one thing is clear- the guy can ski...  I am sure that in the right snow those skis can be a riot (the pow sequences looked much more impressive than groomers). 

post #3 of 22

a 360 butter on a pond skim. that pretty fing cool.

 

I thought I was cool doing it with a cute girl on my back but that beat the hell out of me.

 

post #4 of 22

No doubt we're going to see alot of new and innovative designs in the future. I think these new designs are serious game changers for alot of skiers. If these skis can "up your game" and allow you to ski more challenging terrain more easily , I think they're great.

 

Having said that I bought a pair of Metrons when they first came out and sold them I think the following year. Don't know if it's the same or not but just got tired of their too easy to turn nature. Maybe it was a radius thing that doesn't apply here.

 

I just got a pair of the "new skis" , no camber rockers mounted up and am taking them out next week to Colorado. Anxious to see what all the excitement is all about.

post #5 of 22
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that pond shot of him skimming across doing a 360 is at whistler (I think sheldon is a fellow canuck) ...last yr  i remember seeing a bunch of young guys,one by one, flying down that hill (forget the run) and each attempting to cross that pond on their skis...all of us on the sidelines looking on in admiration and enjoying the free entertainment, clapping  and hooting in support (yet no one did a more daring 360 as sheldon did, however)beercheer.gif
 

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a 360 butter on a pond skim. that pretty fing cool.

 

I thought I was cool doing it with a cute girl on my back but that beat the hell out of me.

 

post #6 of 22

The video didn't show much that makes these skis special except for the pond skim.  The powder sequence was nice, but I kept thinking that the camera guy was on traditional skis and was on his tail the whole time, so what was this supposed to show?  However, they seem to me to make more sense than the ultra fat stuff that's on the market right now.  Of course, I know next to nothing about this, but what the heck.

post #7 of 22
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The video didn't show much that makes these skis special except for the pond skim.  The powder sequence was nice, but I kept thinking that the camera guy was on traditional skis and was on his tail the whole time, so what was this supposed to show?  However, they seem to me to make more sense than the ultra fat stuff that's on the market right now.  Of course, I know next to nothing about this, but what the heck.



I think the guy following was on praxis actaully.

post #8 of 22
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Originally Posted by Posaune View Post

The video didn't show much that makes these skis special except for the pond skim.  The powder sequence was nice, but I kept thinking that the camera guy was on traditional skis and was on his tail the whole time, so what was this supposed to show?  However, they seem to me to make more sense than the ultra fat stuff that's on the market right now.  Of course, I know next to nothing about this, but what the heck.


Guy following me is on 4frnt CRJ's. He captured my first couple turns down CBC trees on blackcomb, I quickly took off on him and the footage from the rest of the run is un useable because i am too far ahead. I had to stop right near the end of the run and wait for him to catch his breath for 5 mins before he filmed me on the last section through the tighter trees down to the cat-track. I am claiming that my severely wider ski allowed me to ski faster and with considerably less effort.

post #9 of 22
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what do you guys think, keeping an open mind?


I think that I -still- haven't found a good way to tune my convex-base Gauers from 1996. redface.gif

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For several years they worked with Mr. Gauer using his custom made, multi-directional, convex bottom skis, or "Blades."

Unfortunately, the NY Times article lumped them in with the general lot of miniskis: http://www.nytimes.com/1999/02/18/sports/the-ski-report-skiboarding-a-new-thrill-a-minute-craze.html and didn't notice the design aspects.

World's first omnidirectional schmearing tool? Perhaps not quite. But it is a direction that should be explored futher.

icon14.gif to garywayne in general and especially if he has developed a DIY way to restore the bases from damage. You bet I want to try it.
Edited by comprex - 11/25/10 at 2:31pm
post #10 of 22
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oh THAT is the infamous CBC tree run at Blackcomb....have heard plenty about that area...even a few skiers in my club actually WALK down a few pieces as it's too hairy and tight

...so kudos to you Sheldon both for your skill level and your product's potential.
 

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RE Guy following me is on 4frnt CRJ's. He captured my first couple turns down CBC trees on blackcomb, I quickly took off on him and the footage from the rest of the run is un useable because i am too far ahead. 
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Originally Posted by Posaune View Post

The video didn't show much that makes these skis special except for the pond skim.  The powder sequence was nice, but I kept thinking that the camera guy was on traditional skis and was on his tail the whole time, so what was this supposed to show?  However, they seem to me to make more sense than the ultra fat stuff that's on the market right now.  Of course, I know next to nothing about this, but what the heck.


Guy following me is on 4frnt CRJ's. He captured my first couple turns down CBC trees on blackcomb, I quickly took off on him and the footage from the rest of the run is un useable because i am too far ahead. I had to stop right near the end of the run and wait for him to catch his breath for 5 mins before he filmed me on the last section through the tighter trees down to the cat-track. I am claiming that my severely wider ski allowed me to ski faster and with considerably less effort.

post #11 of 22

original mountain life article:

 

pg 26

 

http://issuu.com/calypsodesign/docs/ml_fallwinter

post #12 of 22
Thread Starter 


good to see that mag article in full (I emailed them to send it to me so i could post but didn't receive any reply)

....question: aside from heli operators being excited over your innovative gear, at what sort of snow depth (give or take) would your boards be most optimally used?... there is alot of competition out there as it is in the powder board market...yet your boards really step up the game with much more width.

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original mountain life article:

 

pg 26

 

http://issuu.com/calypsodesign/docs/ml_fallwinter

post #13 of 22

Either a very modern concept or a very retro one.  See the 1920's article below.

 

 

barrel_skis.jpg

post #14 of 22

Reminds me of this thread:

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99439

 

At 180mm underfoot, I can't imagine how hard the landing would be even in waist deep powder for pillows and big drops, so I don't think I'd ever see myself on a pair for more than a few runs, even as much as I love tight trees. That said, I'd still love to try a pair and see if they really are that much faster/easier in the trees than my Billy Goats (everyone has a hard enough time keeping up with me, as it is). Gary, any way I could do a demo up at Crystal Mountain (WA) or somewhere in Summit County (CO)?

post #15 of 22

so far, demos only going on in whistler, B.C.

 

here is a video shot for powder mountain, lead guide in blue jacket with backpack, and skier with yellow pants / black jacket are both rocking the waynes..

 

some good helmet cam stuff near the end.

 

http://www.vimeo.com/18977591

 

Sheldon

post #16 of 22

Welcome to Shane's world. Nice job, good to see someone continuing that direction. I do some waterskiing once in a while, not sure how they would feel to land on something harder than H20, but then I don't have the skill set to ever find out...biggrin.gif

post #17 of 22

Nice to see someone working on stuff like this.

post #18 of 22

IMO, absurd.

feedback for the designer, no offense intended.

 

based on the title, I might suggest a sub title: powder haters, check these things out, could put a smile on your face. Who would be looking for this, except someone currently having issues.

 

Making fundamental changes to the dimensions and shape goes away from making subtle tweaks that will improve the powder ski concept. I'd be more interested in a talented guy like this looking hard at the ski and making carefully considered incremental improvements and refinements. I don't see a total revolution in powder ski design being relevant to development right now. just my opinion as a consumer.

post #19 of 22

That's OK, your claims about non-rockered Dynastars skiing just like reverse camber skis due to voodoo makes it pretty clear the designer need not worry about ski design input from your end. wink.gif

 

This specific design may or may not pan out, but the hull concept on a reverse ski is interesting (and a very different twist from earlier hull shape experiments). This is not the first discussion on the topic I've participated in or seen in the past year. Props to the Sheldon for making something interesting happen.

 

post #20 of 22

now that is not exactly what I saidnonono2.gif. I said that a tweak of the flex (not voodoo) which isn't evident standing the ski up on the floorbiggrin.gif permits the ski to reverse its camber very easily icon14.gifas soon as you pressure it in deep snow, and that is absolutely true. this flex could yield the same buttering performance as a ski which is pre-reverse cambered. It's not a Praxis Powder, but that's not how far I want to go with it.

 

Unless a designer plans to ski a couple sets in the lab, he might be concerned about what an avid powder skier thinks. The consumer, bottom line, just wants his ski to be fun. The revolution in floatation is for the engineers over a beer.

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Guy following me is on 4frnt CRJ's. He captured my first couple turns down CBC trees on blackcomb, I quickly took off on him and the footage from the rest of the run is un useable because i am too far ahead. I had to stop right near the end of the run and wait for him to catch his breath for 5 mins before he filmed me on the last section through the tighter trees down to the cat-track. I am claiming that my severely wider ski allowed me to ski faster and with considerably less effort.

 

Or alternatively...

 

Perhaps you should hire a photographer who can ski better and has a little more aerobic capacity.  Five minutes is a very long time to have to recover.  There are plenty of young guys around here who could probably keep up pretty well. I'd be happy to provide a few names if you need them for your next video. rolleyes.gif

 

Just as a perhaps-unrelated observation... I was hiking across the Green River traverse here at Jackson Hole two days ago.  It's about a ten minute sidestepping traverse somewhat reminiscent of the traverse to Devil's Castle at Alta only nowhere near as taxing.  As I started onto the traverse, there was a youngish guy about halfway across the traverse.  I could tell he was having a lot of trouble making his way along the traverse, but I just assumed it was due to lack of conditioning. I caught him (and I'm an old man) at the end of the traverse and could finally see that he was struggling every step with these skis that were just enormous.  I would assume they were around 140-150mm underfoot (but don't know or care what make/model they were) and he couldn't put one ski down and then put the other down without them getting caught up with each other.  They were so wide they got in the way of each other.

 

It was a mild powder day with about 8" of new snow.  I was skiing on my Head SuperShape i.Titans because I hadn't switched from the hardpack inbounds.  I sincerely hope this guy really wailed on the downhill because it looked SO painful on the up.
 

post #22 of 22

at Squaw there are several sidestep trails that get used at certain times, so one could conclude that it is common at resorts to need a ski to sidestep, skate, herringbone, etc., and on these trails your ability to move at a good pace is important (or you'll be skiing by yourself pretty quickly on a powder day, which is the intention, right, skis for a powder day, and hopefully with friends, who don't have to wait for you because you're proving something about powder design instead just skiing powder.)

 

IMO, the Wayne lacks versatility compared to other great skis out there in the 110 to 130 widths, from the Katana and Huge to the S7 and Praxis Protest. If you want to argue that versatility is not an important characteristic in a ski, I'm listening with profound skepticism.

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