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Advancing SLC Intermediate Female looking For 2nd Pair In Quiver. Suggestions?

post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 

Hi all!

 

I just started skiing last December (2009) after relocating to SLC.  Since then, I've skied 21 times (total lifetime) and have had 4 formal lessons at Alta.  I'm an advancing intermediate being comfortable on all blues (except moguls) and seemed to have knocked out that dreaded stemming in my turns this season.  (Thanks to Lito Tejeda-Flores!)  I own a pair of 2009 Rossi Scratch Girl BCs which were a great purchase as my first pair of skis and are lots of fun in powder.  However, I am itching for another pair.  Here's the deal:

 

I think I need a pair of skis that:

 

-  Are a little stiffer.  When conditions are firm, and on groomers, I find the Scratch BCs to be too soft and don't cut through choppy stuff at all.  They seem unstable and the bases are very slow.  I want to plow through crud and not feel like I'm being knocked around or about to bust on the flats.

 

-  Have more of a side-cut radius and wider tip.  I'm digging carving on the groomed runs and making tighter turns.  I'm also looking to advance my skills on steeper (black) terrain and want something with more edge grip and responsiveness in turn initiation.  My BCs seem very bouncy on steeps and I skid on them (rather than really grip) which makes me scared and, therefore, I end up stemming my turns as I lose confidence in my ability to hold an edge. I need a ski that will give me confidence to handle more terrain!

 

-  Because I live in UT, I'm thinking I want to stay in the 80-90ish waist range since the skis will need to perform well on days when it's snowing quite a bit.  I'll keep the Scratch BCs for days after a big dump but am seeking another pair for those days when we get less snow yet I want to be able to have fun off-piste as well.

 

I plan to demo several skis in December.  After much research, my current list of skis to try-out include:

 

-  Blizzard Viva 8.1

-  K2 Lotta Luv

-  Volkl Aurora (But these may be too stiff for me?  The Tierra seems too narrow but I could be wrong.)

-  Dynastar Exclusive Legend Eden

-  Rossi S3

 

About me:

 

- 38 years old.  5'4", 118 lbs.  

- Cautious skier.  Care more about control, grace, and proper form than speed.

- Very fit (and former figure skater/dancer...balance and form are fundamental)

- Intensely committed to becoming a GREAT skier  (obsessed learning everything I can about skiing) 

- Comfortable on green and blue terrain at this point.  I only stem when on black terrain and I get scared.  Want a pair of skis that will take me to the next level and that I won't outgrow within a season or two.

-  Will ski approximately 45 days this season (2010-2011).

 

 

Any recommendations or advice in my search for a pair of skis to compliment my Rossi Scratch Girl BCs would be most appreciated.  I'll devote 2 or 3 demo days to trying things out so let me know your thoughts.

 

Many thanks to all!

post #2 of 28

Welcome to Epic. Based on feedback from my female friends and my wife, the Viva's are the best on your list for the mission you describe; amazing grip, light, precise, good all over the mountain except in real pow. Female version of the 8.1 Magnum, which is everyone's all universe ski. At your size, they'll have about the same float as a 95 for a typical sized male, so no issues there. IMO the Aurora's would be too stiff, yes, based on what I know about male Volkls of that genre. Legend Edens are supposed to be wonderful, but I sense more of a big mountain runner, happiest at speed. Lot of folks like Rossi S3's, maybe not precise, though. (Appreciate that term, since I'm a very technical skier too.) Some people really like Lotta Luvs, I find all K2's pretty plain vanilla. YMMV. 

 

If she doesn't tune in soon, PM Trekchick; pathologically knowledgeable about just about every female ski out there, and most of the unisex.  

OTOH, Trekchick will recommend the Kastle FX84, which would be my first choice too, but check the price tag before you leap. biggrin.gif

 

Also try out Ski Diva site, lot of good advice over there. Mainly, keep up the lessons. As you know from skating and dancing...

post #3 of 28
Thread Starter 

Thanks your for your advice, beyond.  I'm glad to see my list is on the right track.  I'm most excited about the Vivas, too.  I've been reading ski reviews on Epic and TheSkiDiva, as well as all of the ski gear review websites, since mid-summer.  A lot of people on Epic say the same thing about K2s - meh.  I am interested to know what all the fuss is about with the Lottas but my instinct is that's not what I am seeking.  

 

The Kastles are beautiful skis and I've read incredible things about them however, being a newbie, I don't want to break the bank my in my second year.  Maybe I could find a pair that are a year old and not buy new.  I wonder which, if any, ski shops in SLC/PC rent Kastles. (Sounds like more research!)

 

Hopefully Trekchick will chime in otherwise I'll PM her.

 

Thanks again!

post #4 of 28

Given its relation to the Magnum, the Viva should be a great choice.

 

I haven't been real excited by K2's all mountain offerings for men in recent years, but am constantly surprised by the positive feedback I hear about their women's line (I have heard at least a dozen favorable reviews in the last 2-3 years, from people I trust).  That alone makes me suggest you at least consider/demo a few of the Luv series.  My intermediate-level wife skis on a pair (can't remember which flavor Luv since there's about a million of them) and has been very happy with them.  She rocked them at Alta last year in all conditions.

 

If dawgcatching (Scott) doesn't pop in, check his site: http://www.dawgcatching.com .  Some good prices, and I believe he's running a special with free bindings right now.  He will have good advice for you.

post #5 of 28

The Sports Loft on Highland in Holladay carried Kastles last year. From what I'm hearing, you might also want to check out the Rossi S80W or S86W, or look at the Volkl Kenja--I've heard some good things about those skis from an instructor I know at PCMR.

post #6 of 28

What lengths are the scratch bc?

 

For UT I love my sultan 85 as a frontside ski. So I would say the edens based on that. They are well suited to typical UT frontside conditions: carving groomers, a bit of soft snow, do well in most crud, bumps, and have more than enough grip for UT "ice". The blizzards are more hardsnow oreinted than that -- but are worht a demo cuz you might like them. 

 

Also check the nordica conquer.

post #7 of 28
Thread Starter 

I just realized I never said I am female.  Well, I think you figured that out.  :-)
 

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Originally Posted by tromano View Post

What lengths are the scratch bc?

 

For UT I love my sultan 85 as a frontside ski. So I would say the edens based on that. They are well suited to typical UT frontside conditions: carving groomers, a bit of soft snow, do well in most crud, bumps, and have more than enough grip for UT "ice". The blizzards are more hardsnow oreinted than that -- but are worht a demo cuz you might like them. 

 

Also check the nordica conquer.


My BCs are 150s.  Glad to know you agree with my desire to try out the Edens.  I had the Conquer on my list but removed it for some reason.  It's back on the list now!  Thank you. 

 



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Originally Posted by Zman View Post

The Sports Loft on Highland in Holladay carried Kastles last year. From what I'm hearing, you might also want to check out the Rossi S80W or S86W, or look at the Volkl Kenja--I've heard some good things about those skis from an instructor I know at PCMR.


Looks like they still do and Sports Loft isn't far from me.  Good tip, Zman.  The Rossi's you mentioned are in the same class (partial twin tips) as my Rossi Scratch Girl BCs.  I'm really looking for something different so I have two pair of skis that can serve different purposes.  I was completely obsessed with the Kenjas the entire month of October but, after several trips to the ski shops to touch and feel them (because, as I said, I was obsessed), I determined they are a bit too stiff for my ability and aggressiveness.  I'm not sure I could flex them very well and they are flat twin tips like my BCs.

 



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Originally Posted by skier219 View Post

Given its relation to the Magnum, the Viva should be a great choice.

 

I haven't been real excited by K2's all mountain offerings for men in recent years, but am constantly surprised by the positive feedback I hear about their women's line (I have heard at least a dozen favorable reviews in the last 2-3 years, from people I trust).  That alone makes me suggest you at least consider/demo a few of the Luv series.  My intermediate-level wife skis on a pair (can't remember which flavor Luv since there's about a million of them) and has been very happy with them.  She rocked them at Alta last year in all conditions.

 

If dawgcatching (Scott) doesn't pop in, check his site: http://www.dawgcatching.com .  Some good prices, and I believe he's running a special with free bindings right now.  He will have good advice for you.


Women who ski the West seem to rave about the Lottas and the various ski shops here have great things to say about them.  We'll see.  I rented the One Luvs (2009) and True Luvs (2010) last season.  These two Luvs (which are actually the same model with different names) along with my BCs and the Salomon X-Wing somethings I rented for my first lesson at Alta are the only skis I've ever been on in my life.  I really can't wait to demo more.  I'm hoping that one will just scream, "I was made for YOU!"

post #8 of 28


 

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Originally Posted by slcbelle View Post

I just realized I never said I am female.  Well, I think you figured that out.  :-)

 

My BCs are 150s.  Glad to know you agree with my desire to try out the Edens.  I had the Conquer on my list but removed it for some reason.  It's back on the list now!  Thank you. 

 

...

 


Women who ski the West seem to rave about the Lottas and the various ski shops here have great things to say about them.  We'll see.  I rented the One Luvs (2009) and True Luvs (2010) last season.  These two Luvs (which are actually the same model with different names) along with myyou we BCs and the Salomon X-Wing somethings I rented for my first lesson at Alta are the only skis I've ever been on in my life.  I really can't wait to demo more.  I'm hoping that one will just scream, "I was made for YOU!"


Hehe, I figured given your interedted in womens skis. ;)

 

150s are probably a good length for you, right now. It might be worth while to demo up a size or two (up to around 160cm) just to see if you like the longer length. Longer skis have more stability in soft snow and variable conditions. But they tend to be less easy to throw around. But you might not be ready for a longer ski.

 

The lottas are a good ski for an intermediate - advanced skier on the front-side in UT as well.


Edited by tromano - 11/25/10 at 8:19pm
post #9 of 28

I'm male, but I sell skis for a living and hence, I test women's skis every year along with several female associates. Given your size and 20 days total ski experience, I would scratch the stiffer skis off your list. That means that the two Volkls go buh-bye and maybe the Viva 8.1 as well. On the flip side of that the Rossi S3 is neither a great carver nor high on the list for stability so I'd scratch that one as well. That leaves the middle ground and some great skis have already been mentioned. The Eden, Lotta, and Nordie Conquer are all right there and I'd add the Fischer Koa as well.

 

SJ 

post #10 of 28
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by tromano View Post

Hehe, I figured given your interedted in womens skis. ;)

 

150s are probably a good length for you, right now. It might be worth while to demo up a size or two (up to around 160cm) just to see if you like the longer length. Longer skis have more stability in soft snow and variable conditions. But they tend to be less easy to throw around. But you might not be ready for a longer ski.

 

The lottas are a good ski for an intermediate - advanced skier on the front-side in UT as well.


I agree with you on the length.  The 150s were great as my first ski but now I'm wishing they were a little longer for float and stability.  Yet, at 150, they never got in my way so they've served their purpose and we're a nice intro into skiing.  I'm definitely hungry for more front side performance, though.  The Lottas sure get positive marks out here.

 



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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

I'm male, but I sell skis for a living and hence, I test women's skis every year along with several female associates. Given your size and 20 days total ski experience, I would scratch the stiffer skis off your list. That means that the two Volkls go buh-bye and maybe the Viva 8.1 as well. On the flip side of that the Rossi S3 is neither a great carver nor high on the list for stability so I'd scratch that one as well. That leaves the middle ground and some great skis have already been mentioned. The Eden, Lotta, and Nordie Conquer are all right there and I'd add the Fischer Koa as well.

 

SJ 


Hi SJ.  I see you all over Epic and it's nice to "meet" you.  Thanks for you input.  I hear you on the Volkls and will not waste my time.  (Scratched off list.)  I would like to try the Vivas.  They might kick my butt but, since I'm going to do a demo day, I could just take them back after 1 run if they do.  Still, I'd like to know if I have it in me to ski them.  I'll add the Koa to my list.  I was just reading about them on Ski magazine's gear reviews.  Definitely worth a shot.

 

I know I'm a newbie, now with 23 days of ski time.  But skiing is something that I took to very quickly and I've advanced rapidly.  My figure skating background has helped a lot as has my tenacity and commitment to seek out training materials and people and practice, practice, practice.  Our next door neighbors are ski instructors at Solitude and we're often on the slopes together.  (Nice perk!)  

 

My point in all this is that, though I am an intermediate, I don't expect to stay in the "intermediate" category for very long.  I'm just too much of a technical perfectionist and I love, love, love to practice and get things right.  So, I'm looking for a ski that will push me a little right now (not completely slay me).  One that will help build my confidence but will also make me stay on top of it but yet forgiving enough that I won't be fighting it every step of the way.  One that will allow me to grow and advance with it and not out of it.  Does that still sound like all of the above skis?

post #11 of 28

 

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I could just take them back after 1 run if they do.  Still, I'd like to know if I have it in me to ski them.  I'll add the Koa to my list.  I was just reading about them on Ski magazine's gear reviews.  Definitely worth a shot.

Yep....it is worth a try as it is a truly stellar ski. On smooth buttery groomers you'll probably be OK. It is in sketchy conditions like steep terrain and flat light or rough grooming where they might spank you a bit.

 

 

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My point in all this is that, though I am an intermediate, I don't expect to stay in the "intermediate" category for very long.  I'm just too much of a technical perfectionist and I love, love, love to practice and get things right.  So, I'm looking for a ski that will push me a little right now (not completely slay me).  One that will help build my confidence but will also make me stay on top of it but yet forgiving enough that I won't be fighting it every step of the way.  One that will allow me to grow and advance with it and not out of it.  Does that still sound like all of the above skis?

 

Don't worry, you won't overpower any of those four I listed for you. They are skis for expert level skiers. The one caveat might be the K2 as it is not quite as aggressive as the other three but still.......I doubt you'll overski any of these four anytime soon. Heck......if you do......congratulations, crack the bubbly and treat yourself to something even more aggressive. (probably not for a few years though).

 

SJ

 

post #12 of 28

Me, yea i'm a guy, and some friends, of similiar or shorter size than you like the KOA 84. Check it out:http://www.realskiers.com/ Voted 2010 overall ski of the year. I'm 5'1" and ski it in 150 and 159 cm.

post #13 of 28

Go with SierraJim's advice and don't purchase anything stiff or too high end. Such skis will go a long way to mess up your technique and progress and it will take years to erase the bad habits that could build up. Technical or finesse skiers deal well with skis that flex with the terrain and work with their body weight.

post #14 of 28
Thread Starter 

SJ - Perfect.  I've called around and located ski shops with these skis (2011) available for demo.   Wish I could find one shop with all of them but no dice.  A "lotta" ski shops don't even carry K2s or, if they do, they don't have the Lottas. Interesting.

 

jonrpen - I have the KOAs on the list but am finding it difficult to locate a ski shop that carries Fischer.  What's up with that?

 

TomB - I CERTAINLY do not want to form any bad habits.  Knowing myself, I probably will be a technical/finesse skier so point taken.  :-) 

 

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post #16 of 28

slcbelle,

 

Wow! You are right. I just spent the last hour calling shops around SLC and could not find any KOA 84's.

 

Last year my girlfriend and I demoed first in North Carolina, and then again in Maryland. We each bought KOA 78's and 84's in 150 and 159 cm.

I mounted Tyrolia RF 12's on all so we could easily swap and loan to our friends. They work great for us and many of our friends but if you can't

demo then you do what you have to do. It's hard to buy any ski without a demo.

post #17 of 28
Thread Starter 

jonrpen,

 

You called SLC shops for ME?  If so, WOW!  Thank you.  But, alas, you see the Fischer issue.  I see you live in Georgia.  My home state!  Hence the "belle".  I'm a Dunwoody native.  You?

post #18 of 28

Lawrenceville

 

I just thought I could find you a demo ski, but no luck.

 

Maybe I'll bring all of mine to SLC this year. I wish!

post #19 of 28

With all of this talk about new skis, I notice that no one asked you anything about your boots. Hopefully you have a good pair of boots that fit well and whose flex matches your present needs. As you continue to progress, you might want to consider whether your boots match your level and the type of skiing that you like to do or if they might be holding you back. I would put new boots or at least a review of your boots on your list of things to look at for the end of this season, the beginning of next. I know that you said that the Sport Loft is near to you. I got my last pair of boots there and the custom work that they did was top notch and I highly recommend them.

post #20 of 28
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Originally Posted by slcbelle View Post

SJ - Perfect.  I've called around and located ski shops with these skis (2011) available for demo.   Wish I could find one shop with all of them but no dice.  A "lotta" ski shops don't even carry K2s or, if they do, they don't have the Lottas. Interesting.

 

jonrpen - I have the KOAs on the list but am finding it difficult to locate a ski shop that carries Fischer.  What's up with that?

 

TomB - I CERTAINLY do not want to form any bad habits.  Knowing myself, I probably will be a technical/finesse skier so point taken.  :-) 


 

 

I think you're on the right track on all points and some of your experiences are not surprising. Fischer builds very good skis in most categories and great ones in a few categories.....but they don't advertise or promote much (or at least not the right way) so many ski shops overlook the brand. The K2 thing is maybe a little more puzzling although I have sensed the brand starting to slow down lately. Dynastar has a strong following around SLC so that one shouldn't be too hard.

 

Finding demos all in the same place is for sure not easy. Most shops carry maybe 4-6 brands and of course they won't all want the same things as everybody else. Even a shop like ours that carries 13 brands won't have demos of everything and every size. Anyway good for you on your diligence. You seem to have a good plan.

 

I hear it's snowing.......................biggrin.gif

 

SJ

post #21 of 28
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Originally Posted by Zman View Post

With all of this talk about new skis, I notice that no one asked you anything about your boots. Hopefully you have a good pair of boots that fit well and whose flex matches your present needs. As you continue to progress, you might want to consider whether your boots match your level and the type of skiing that you like to do or if they might be holding you back. I would put new boots or at least a review of your boots on your list of things to look at for the end of this season, the beginning of next. I know that you said that the Sport Loft is near to you. I got my last pair of boots there and the custom work that they did was top notch and I highly recommend them.


YES!  The boots are fundamental so the very first thing I did - OK, I actually rented twice but that was enough to get me hooked on skiing and committed to the sport - was buy a pair of my own.  I bought them from Christy Sports (Olympus Hills) and had custom insoles made.  They're the Technica Attiva Mega+10 Ultrafit.  This exact year and model.     They're very comfortable, easy to micro adjust, and accommodate my muscular calves and strong (wide) feet.  They were brilliant all of last year.  I still love them.   

 

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I think you're on the right track on all points and some of your experiences are not surprising. Fischer builds very good skis in most categories and great ones in a few categories.....but they don't advertise or promote much (or at least not the right way) so many ski shops overlook the brand. The K2 thing is maybe a little more puzzling although I have sensed the brand starting to slow down lately. Dynastar has a strong following around SLC so that one shouldn't be too hard.

 

Finding demos all in the same place is for sure not easy. Most shops carry maybe 4-6 brands and of course they won't all want the same things as everybody else. Even a shop like ours that carries 13 brands won't have demos of everything and every size. Anyway good for you on your diligence. You seem to have a good plan.

 

I hear it's snowing.......................biggrin.gif

 

SJ


Cole Sports at Deer Valley has the Viva 8.1s, the Conquers, and the Edens.  We have passes for DV so I'll probably do the Vivas and Edens through them during the week of opening week at DV. 

 

Christy Sports at Snowbird has the Lottas and the Conquers.  The one near our house at Olympus Hills only has the Lottas.  I'll try to demo both of those this week if they decide to let the demos go out.  I don't see why not...we're getting up to 28" more by Monday night!  Snowbird's base is 54" right now (115" this season so far).  It's a great time to live in Salt Lake City!  

 

I figure 2 demos MAX per day, don't you think?  A half a day on each to get a really good feel for the ski.  Then, perhaps, an all day demo of the favorite to make sure.  The Conquers and Lottas aren't cheap!

 

OMG, help me.  I'm so addicted...

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OMG, help me.  I'm so addicted...


You're in biiiiig trouble now....................biggrin.gif

 

BTW..................on the demo thing, I personally believe that two-three runs on one ski then a quick changeover and back to the same runs is best. That keeps your impressions fresh and the comparisons more on the skis' personality. Conditions often change over the course of a day let alone over a few days or more. It can be hard for some folks to retain focus on the differences over a long period and those things can get a little blurry after a while.

 

That's just me though.....others may like to spend more time, it just works best for me to spend less.

 

SJ

post #23 of 28
Thread Starter 

SJ, I agree with your line of thinking.  I would do as you suggest to narrow it down to the one I think I like most.  Then probably spend full a day on that one ski to make sure.  I don't want any regrets. 

post #24 of 28
Thread Starter 

Woo hoo!  After much determination, or single-mindedness, I've finally located a Blizzard Viva 8.1 to demo tomorrow.  (Thank you Jeremy at Sport Loft for contacting the Blizzard rep and getting a 158 for me to try!)  I can't believe that NO ONE is demoing the 8.1.  Some will demo the 7.6 but that's of no interest to me.  Wish me luck.  I hope it doesn't kick my booty too hard.

 

 

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Wish me luck.  I hope it doesn't kick my booty too hard.


Good job! It won't. 8.1's are the rare high performance ski that won't punish you for minor mistakes. Just stay in the front seat. 

post #26 of 28
Thread Starter 

I'm back from a full day on the 8.1s.  Bottom line verdict...close but not quite.  (Apologies in advance for not knowing all the proper terms to describe my experience.)  I immediately noticed how easy, and how much fun, it was to get these skis on edge and carve around.  I keep wanting to make digging cuts into the snow like I used to love to do on ice.  The sound and the feel of carving makes me happy.  They were also far faster than anything else I've ever skied - in a good way.  Meaning, I got enough speed on the Vivas to make it to runs and lifts that normally I have to skate the final 20 to 50 feet.  Not with these. I could pretty much ski right up to wherever I wanted to go.  When I did have to skate, on the flat from the lodge to the lift for instance, the Vivas were extremely light and smooth.  So very easy!  They had great edge grip - exactly what I wanted.  

 

What turned me off was the bindings - the IQ Max TP 12.  Didn't think twice about the bindings until I fell on a steep, ungroomed, super powdery slope and needed to get my left ski back on.  The whole binding was completely cocooned in snow and ice like I've never seen a binding before.  In my measly 25 times or so skiing, that is. No amount of stamping got the snow and ice...ICE!...out of the binding.  I had to take the the ski in my hands, take off my glove, and pick it out of all the nooks and crannies.  Then, no matter what I did, I could not snap into the binding on the slope.  Even with all of my weight on it.  That might have been me but I was with a ski instructor and she couldn't understand out why I couldn't snap in either.  Fine.  I took off my other ski and hiked down the slope to a level part on a groomer.  Locked into my right ski, no problem.  Left ski?  No chance.  With all of my weight on my left leg, the right foot completely off the ground, hopping to snap in, no dice.  I had to help it along by pulling the back part up.  Alright.  Maybe it was an adjustment issue?  Though I had no problem getting in and out of my skis at the lodge twice.  Why now?  All that ice.  I tried to put it out of my head but the rest of the afternoon I felt disappointed in the Viva.  When I took my skis off at the end of the day the binding literally had ice chunks inside of all hollow parts.  (And there are a lot of hollow spaces).  I don't want a ski that gets so iced up that it's impossible to get back on after a release.  I'm learning and I'm going to fall in unpredictable places. (Knock wood I'll never get hurt.  Amen.)

 

Was this a ski I was in love with?  No.  Did I hop on it and think, "WOW!  I must have these skis!"  No.  I thought, "Oh, that's cool. Check out how far I can ski without having to skate!  These are much faster than my Rossi Scratch Girls."   But, I didn't fall in love.

 

Next up:  Conquer, Eden, and maybe the Lotta.

post #27 of 28

I wouldn't let that into your decision making too much. It could have been alot of things. Weather, some water in the binding when you took them out that froze up, etc... Demo bindings ARE different than retail bindings so if you buy them they will be different. Also you can spray some silicone or something similar to keep the ice off them.

post #28 of 28
Thread Starter 

Many thanks to everyone who replied to this thread and provided their insight.  I am the proud new owner of the 2011 Nordica Conquer (154) and I LOVE them!  What a difference they are making in my skiing.  I'm just so happy! 

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