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One day I was skiing alone and this skier I had been talking with about skiing (I was new at the time) said he'd do a run with me and watch.  His advice?  "You ski straight down the mountain too much.  You should always be turning."

 

What a crock of shit!


you said you were new, he watched you ski and suggested you make turns.   How is that bad advice?  All new skiers should learn to make turns, not straight line down a mountain.  The advice is not general ski advice...it was advice given to you in the context that you were a beginner and should be turning all the time so as to keep speeds down and always be in control.

 

What's a bunch of crock is the fact that even though you were new, you thought you knew better than someone else.  btw, skiing faster =/= skiing better.

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I'm glad I didn't listen to him, or you.  Of course I finish turns.  We're not talking about turns.  It's when I'm choosing not to turn and skiing straight down that he didn't like.  Who was he?  Just some idiot I met on the mountain who thought he was going to "teach" me and then saw that I skied better and faster than he.   Skiing straight down the mountain:  If I have the ability to do it, I'm doing it.  It's fun.  You should try it some time!

While most people fear the fall line Jim, it sounds like you enjoy it. Which is a good thing to a point. Why not try a downhill racing program where you can safely pursue your need for speed in a closed course. By the way, when you start winning those races you can start to talking about how good you are. Till then, I gotta say straight running on slopes open to the public is stupid and puts you and everyone around you at risk. The ski to die club is full of folks who just like you thought that dying on skis couldn't happen to them. They were wrong and so are you. Talk about a crock!

 

My nomination for the" You taught them what" award for the absolute worst advice I've ever heard?

"Skiing straight down the mountain: If I have the ability to do it, I'm doing it. It's fun. You should try it sometime."


 It's amazing the fiction that people extrapolate from any post on the internet.  I ski very responsibly, defensively, and politely.  That doesn't mean that I'm not allowed at times to ski straight without making turns constantly.  That's not reckless.  That's not even high speed.  (You haven't seen me ski.)   I'm not talking about skiing straight down a black diamond.  At some points on the hill the slope is not that severe and if I have the skill and desire, why shouldn't I ski straight for a few seconds without turning?  

 

What do you do when the terrain has sloped to just a slight incline?  Don't you ski it straight on down or are you still constantly turning?  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

 Jim, Thank you for clarifying your thoughts. Brief moments of lingering in the fall line is completely different from "straight running down the mountain". So there's no fiction here, your choice of words suggested more than a brief moment of staying in the fall line. Nuff said? I think we're on the same page nowbeercheer.gif.

 

That being resolved, A second very important issue is when intermediate through experts see beginner terrain as a place to ramp up their speed, or stop turning. Getting them to understand their actions can effect more than their own world is difficult. Beginner terrain is the "slow zone" for a variety of very good reasons. First and foremost is the big speed difference between everyone on that slope and how often that results in collisions. Additionally, even if the slope is empty, less talented skiers (who have more ego than skill) see better skiers doing that and they assume that is what they should be doing on that terrain. That's why resorts have implemented slow zone signage and speed control staff. In some cases the safety crews are actually deputy sheriffs and failure to heed their advice can result in a ticket, or even a trip to the local sheriff's office. Why? It's not that they are trying to regulate fun, it's about safety for all of their guests and it's specifically about providing beginners with the safest environment possible. That includes getting intermediate through expert skiers to respect that and save their need for speed for a more appropriate place like blue and black terrain. So it's about EDUCATION and communicating the idea that you don't have to be a ski GOD to effect the perception of lesser skiers, if any thing the closer to their level you are, the more they can relate to your skiing.

 

The last issue is you posted feedback from someone who did see you ski and you called him an idiot because you didn't like what he told you. Then you went on to say you feel you are better than him because you skied that run so fast. I don't see that as evidence of you being "better", only less informed about why turning and skiing slower on beginner terrain is so important. Hope that makes sense and you find his advice more worthwhile now.

 

 Ski Well Jim,

JASP


Edited by justanotherskipro - 12/20/10 at 10:08am
post #33 of 41

Hey Ghost,

Not sure what's up with the rants. Hard week? Ask any boater about the no wake zone and what happens when you ignore that rule around the Marina. If skiers would use a little common sense and think beyond the end of their own noses, we wouldn't need so many rules.


Edited by justanotherskipro - 12/20/10 at 11:54am
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Ghost... were you reprimanded at MSLM or Blue for ducking the red tape to ski a club's race course?  roflmao.gif


No. I would never do that. Seriously.  

 

I've skied a few courses, but after the racers have left.  They've mostly taken down everything, and usually tidied up the course, but sometimes, once or twice actually, the ruts are still there and you can guess where the gates were; it's more challenging that way. 

 

I do get a little annoyed when they close off runs for a race at Blue Mountain Collingwood, but they usually leave enough trails open for me to amuse myself, and I do have some empathy for those involved in organized sports.  I really don't mind that much.

post #35 of 41
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Hey Ghost,

Not sure what's up with the rants. Hard week? Ask any boater about the no wake zone and what happens when you ignore that rule around the Marina. If skiers would use a little common sense and think beyond the end of their own noses, we wouldn't need so many rules.



All meant in good fun.  I do have a pet peeve about people singling out speed alone as a factor though.  My experience shows that it is possible to ski fast without killing anyone, or even being involved in a collision, so long as you follow the code.  Like most folk, I tend to value my own experience over the objections of the safety Nazis.  Of course now I have to be doubly careful, so I don't get the "I told you so".

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Ghost... were you reprimanded at MSLM or Blue for ducking the red tape to ski a club's race course?  roflmao.gif


No. I would never do that. Seriously.  

 

I've skied a few courses, but after the racers have left.  They've mostly taken down everything, and usually tidied up the course, but sometimes, once or twice actually, the ruts are still there and you can guess where the gates were; it's more challenging that way. 

 

I do get a little annoyed when they close off runs for a race at Blue Mountain Collingwood, but they usually leave enough trails open for me to amuse myself, and I do have some empathy for those involved in organized sports.  I really don't mind that much.


 

I'm stumped then -- I can't figure out where or why they would have told you to "get off their lawn", so to speak. Seems really weird when the course is already packed up. Oh well, some people are a bit loopy.

 

Today we had one dude in a neon 80s one-piece come up to an young instructor and just start yelling at her that his son was supposed to be in a lesson. (we hadn't left yet.) After a while of the instructor looking a bit stunned, he declared that he skidooed instead of skiing and started videotaping the area and wandered away. Takes all kinds. 

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Ghost... were you reprimanded at MSLM or Blue for ducking the red tape to ski a club's race course?  roflmao.gif


No. I would never do that. Seriously.  

 

I've skied a few courses, but after the racers have left.  They've mostly taken down everything, and usually tidied up the course, but sometimes, once or twice actually, the ruts are still there and you can guess where the gates were; it's more challenging that way. 

 

I do get a little annoyed when they close off runs for a race at Blue Mountain Collingwood, but they usually leave enough trails open for me to amuse myself, and I do have some empathy for those involved in organized sports.  I really don't mind that much.


 

I'm stumped then -- I can't figure out where or why they would have told you to "get off their lawn", so to speak. Seems really weird when the course is already packed up. Oh well, some people are a bit loopy.

Nobody ever has.  It was only suggested as a possible reason for my rant.  The real reason for my rant was I was bored (unable to go skiing due to charley horse), trying to be a comedian,  and seeing someone admonished simply for enjoying fast skiing on public hills hit a pet peeve of mine..
 

post #38 of 41
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Nobody ever has.  It was only suggested as a possible reason for my rant.  The real reason for my rant was I was bored (unable to go skiing due to charley horse), trying to be a comedian,  and seeing someone admonished simply for enjoying fast skiing on public hills hit a pet peeve of mine..
 



Why? Do you ski fast or something?

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Nobody ever has.  It was only suggested as a possible reason for my rant.  The real reason for my rant was I was bored (unable to go skiing due to charley horse), trying to be a comedian,  and seeing someone admonished simply for enjoying fast skiing on public hills hit a pet peeve of mine..
 



Why? Do you ski fast or something?


I used to ski fast.  It was a passion of mine.  I still enjoy a little speed now and then, but I enjoy responsibly.

post #40 of 41

The one that cringes me (And i'm gonna duck after I say it duck.gif) is pushing your heels out to stop in a plow.

 

post #41 of 41

Nope, you don't get it, Ghost. It's about knowing where to ski fast and where not to ski fast. Nothing more. Speed isn't appropriate everywhere.

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