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post #1 of 19
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Belleayre Mountain WILL NOT OPEN if layoffs go through December 31st. If you care about Belleayre,the people who depend on it to survive,and the local economy in general please speak up LOUDLY on our behalf. Senator John Bonacic 845 344-3311 ...Assemblyman Kevin Cahill 845 338-9610 Assemblymen Clifford Crouch 607 648-6080 Albany Times Union 518 454-5694 Kingston Daily Freeman 845 331-5000
post #2 of 19

Skidbump, I know you know Belleayre well, but are you sure about this?  Not that I would necessarily know, but I'm working in the Ulster County Executive's Office and haven't heard that.  Was about to pull the trigger on a midweek pass but will have to go with Hunter if your info is correct.

post #3 of 19

Already have the family season tickets since August.  They had no problem taking my payment for the race program a couple of days ago.  Already have email from the race program about starting on December 11.

 

see

Wall Street Journal today says

 

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Assemblyman Kevin Cahill of Kingston said the Belleayre job cuts would have a negative impact on a community where the ski center is a big economic driver.

"One of the great successes is that Belleayre is turning into a year-round resort," Cahill said. "This will have a tremendous impact on that, and on the ability to have a successful ski season."

Iwanowicz said the employees would be re-hired as part-time seasonal workers, giving the ski center the same staffing level as last year during the winter season. Stuart Gruskin, executive deputy DEC commissioner, said there would be further discussion of future staffing levels at the resort.

post #4 of 19

Not that I ski Belleayre but that would be a crying shame.

 

post #5 of 19

What are these folks going to do for health insurance when they get rehired on a non full time basis. This is no way to treat good dedicated employees.  I hope many of them are able to find real jobs with benefits and tell NY State to stick it.

 

As am EMT and ski patroller at Belleayre I am often asked medical advice by the part time seasonal employees who have various medical problems but do not have health insurance.  I always tell them the same thing.  I am not a doctor and yes you need to see a doctor for that condition.  In most cases these people would be more productive in life if they had access to affordable medical care.  Unfortunately that just is not possible in the good old USA.

post #6 of 19
Thread Starter 

Am being told by ski shop operator/Food service manager at MT ski shop that if layoffs happen mountain will not open.Nothing being said by DEC staff.

 

post #7 of 19

for non-NY residents..... this hill is owned/run by the State or another government entity?

post #8 of 19
Thread Starter 

NYS dept of conservation runs mt .Has since it was opened.

post #9 of 19

So, is everyone on the hill a state employee or are there also

private businesses that lease space/ subcontract services?

post #10 of 19
Thread Starter 

All on mt full time,part time,and  seasonal are NYS employees.Food,bar ,ski shop,  and ski rentals are vendor

post #11 of 19


 

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What are these folks going to do for health insurance when they get rehired on a non full time basis. This is no way to treat good dedicated employees.  I hope many of them are able to find real jobs with benefits and tell NY State to stick it.

 

As am EMT and ski patroller at Belleayre I am often asked medical advice by the part time seasonal employees who have various medical problems but do not have health insurance.  I always tell them the same thing.  I am not a doctor and yes you need to see a doctor for that condition.  In most cases these people would be more productive in life if they had access to affordable medical care.  Unfortunately that just is not possible in the good old USA.


Of course it's possible in the good old USA. Obamacare will make everything well, but of course we'll have to offset the increase in taxes to pay for medical care for everyone with cutting off other, less necessary things, such as having government run ski areas. Simple, no?

 

No doubt we all here hope that this works out well for all those potentially affected, who are no doubt hard working people trying to produce the best quality product, but probably 98% of the rest of the population sees the government running a ski area as a little much in these times (and so we can pay for medical care for all.....).

 

 

 
post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by catskills View Post

What are these folks going to do for health insurance when they get rehired on a non full time basis. This is no way to treat good dedicated employees.  I hope many of them are able to find real jobs with benefits and tell NY State to stick it.

 

As am EMT and ski patroller at Belleayre I am often asked medical advice by the part time seasonal employees who have various medical problems but do not have health insurance.  I always tell them the same thing.  I am not a doctor and yes you need to see a doctor for that condition.  In most cases these people would be more productive in life if they had access to affordable medical care.  Unfortunately that just is not possible in the good old USA.


Of course it's possible in the good old USA. Obamacare will make everything well, but of course we'll have to offset the increase in taxes to pay for medical care for everyone with cutting off other, less necessary things, such as having government run ski areas. Simple, no?

 

No doubt we all here hope that this works out well for all those potentially affected, who are no doubt hard working people trying to produce the best quality product, but probably 98% of the rest of the population sees the government running a ski area as a little much in these times (and so we can pay for medical care for all.....).

 

 

 


In this case I guess it is a matter of do the bnooks balance. I dont see a problem with a government run anything like this if it doesnt cost a ton. Sounds like it might have a lot more income potential then most public parks
 

post #13 of 19

Belleayre is where I ski the most.  I hope there is a great season ahead!

post #14 of 19


 

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In this case I guess it is a matter of do the bnooks balance. I dont see a problem with a government run anything like this if it doesnt cost a ton. Sounds like it might have a lot more income potential then most public parks

 


Most years Belleayre does turn a profit with 55 full time employees with health benefits.    This profit goes right back to NY State's general fund. 

post #15 of 19

I hope this doesn't happen. Then Windham and Hunter get even more crowded.

post #16 of 19
Thread Starter 

here is like to all DEC layoffs

http://www.adirondackdailyenterprise.com/page/blogs.detail/display/942/List-of-DEC-positions-scheduled-to-be-cut.html 

 

Herre is list of jobs cut at MT

 

Carpenter, Belleayre

Clerk 1, Belleayre

Clerk 1, Belleayre

Clerk 2, Belleayre

Clerk 2, Belleayre

Conservation Operations Supervisor 1, Belleayre

Conservation Operations Supervisor 1, Belleayre

Electrician, Belleayre

General Mechanic, Belleayre

General Mechanic, Belleayre

General Mechanic, Belleayre

General Mechanic, Belleayre

General Mechanic, Belleayre

General Mechanic, Belleayre

General Mechanic, Belleayre

General Mechanic, Belleayre

General Mechanic, Belleayre

General Mechanic, Belleayre

General Mechanic, Belleayre

General Mechanic, Belleayre

General Mechanic, Belleayre

Keyboard Specialist 1, Belleayre

Laborer, Belleayre

Laborer, Belleayre

Maintenance Assistant, Belleayre

Maintenance Assistant, Belleayre

Maintenance Assistant, Belleayre

Maintenance Assistant, Belleayre

Maintenance Assistant, Belleayre

Maintenance Assistant, Belleayre

Maintenance Assistant, Belleayre

Maintenance Assistant, Belleayre

Maintenance Assistant, Belleayre

Maintenance Assistant, Electrician Belleayre

Maintenance Helper, Belleayre

Maintenance Supervisor 1, Belleayre

Park Worker 2, Belleayre

Park Worker 3, Belleayre

Park Worker 3, Belleayre

Park Worker 3, Belleayre

Park Worker 3, Belleayre

Park Worker 3, Belleayre

Ski Patroller 1, Belleayre

Ski Patroller 2, Belleayre

Supervisor of Plumbing and Steamfitting, Belleayre  

 

 

 

post #17 of 19

This is one of those things that no one believes will happen.  They'll cut back on snowmaking and maintenance but they'll stay open.  If they close they have vendors contracts and season ticket holders to settle with, and hotel owners and other locals to deal with.  If they stay open sales will cover a reduced payroll, and put some cash into the general fund.  These are just rumors designed to make the new governor look like a hero when he "saves" the season.  I've seen this movie before.

 

BK

post #18 of 19

Actually it's called "Statue of Liberty tactic".

 

Every time there's a proposed cut in the federal budget, the first on the line is the thread to close Statue of Liberty. That got people's attention on how "essential" goverment services are. And the bargaining starts from there.

post #19 of 19

New York State DIvision of Budget has ordered more than 2,000 layoffs of state workers. Even though the NYSDEC makes up only 2% of the state workforce they are taking the biggest hit with 209 layoffs ordered, over 10% of state worker layoffs.

 

Here is a copy of the internal DEC memo sent out last month:

http://blog.timesunion.com/stateworker/dec-makes-case-against-layoffs/910/

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