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I skied 14 pairs of skis this past Saturday and I will probably get on maybe just as many this coming weekend.  I'll see what I can do in putting together some solid 411 on the skis I test.

Waaaaiiiit a minute.....  14 pairs of skis?  In one day?  That seems barely possible.  And it seems no longer fun; that's WORK.  I can't even imagine having to schlep down to some base area go through the mechanics of this exercise.  After awhile, don't they all sorta seem similar?

 


Not answering for Noodler, but I tried 7 pairs of skis over 15 runs and I made 3 runs on each of my top 3 favorites from the morning.  The demo tents were about 100' away from the end of the run, so that wasn't a problem.  I might've tried a couple more if I could've found 'em in my size, but 14...that's amazing!
 

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Waaaaiiiit a minute.....  14 pairs of skis?  In one day?  That seems barely possible.  And it seems no longer fun; that's WORK.  I can't even imagine having to schlep down to some base area go through the mechanics of this exercise.  After awhile, don't they all sorta seem similar?

 


Due to the close proximity of the demo tents and only using chair #1 at LL for the laps, I can easily get 2 runs on a ski per half hour.  Some skis I only ran for one run though since I knew by the time I hit the bottom of the mountain that I didn't want another run on them.  I also never break for lunch.  So I got 24 runs totaling about 27K of vertical in approximately 6.5 hours of skiing (for anyone wanting to run the numbers).  And yeah, my glutes were definitely feeling it from all the hiking back and forth to the tents, but I look at the early season demos as also a kind of pre-season training ritual. biggrin.gif

 

Do the skis start "running together"?  Well, I keep detailed notes - and yes people really look at me strange on the chairlifts as I pull out a pen and my eval form and fill out my thoughts.  Running all the skis back-to-back is a great opportunity to really feel out the differences and similarities between skis.  Just like ski-ra I went back to some of my favorite skis after a few hours to double-check my initial assessments.  I will also ride my top 3 picks again this coming weekend - and some will be different lengths.  I will also ride some of my own skis this weekend intermixed with the demos so that I can make final evals on which skis go on my possible purchase list.

 

Quite frankly, being able to demo a lot of skis in one day rocks and I have learned a lot about ski designs, constructions, and myself as a skier through the process.

 

 

 

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BRIEF SPAM INTERLUDE - Just posted a new pair of Blizzard EOS 166cm on the gear swap forum. A Crazy 88 for lightweights if there ever was one. Bears get first crack for a couple days before I post on eBay. - Now back to the main thread with my apologies.

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Noodler and all who demo, I do appreciate any reviews of ski gear that you give on this site.If you are taking the time to make detailed notes while demoing than I think "listening" to your experiences are well worthwhile. While everybody has a different way about their skiing, different locations , conditions and different body sizes, by reading reviews by multiple skiers I get to see a broad picture of what gear can do. One can also tell a lot about the people doing the reviews just by reading their other posts on Epic. It doesn't take long to figure out who is in the know here. I don't have time to demo but by reading your ( the collective here on Epic) reviews I know I have a much better chance of getting a ski that will work for my skiing more than any magazine review I have ever read. Thanks for all you do.

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I have decided to post up my reviews.  I just got done with another day of demos.  Only got on 9 skis today, but spent more time on each (still got in 23K of vertical).

 

If my energy holds out I may even get some of the reviews posted later today. 

 

And...  If I'm posting reviews I'm not pulling any punches - there were plenty of skis that just plain didn't work for me.  See ya on the flip side.

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Anyski review should (as part of) include weight. very important. Ira certainly haas the skills to work just about any ski, however his weight changes the game,



And skill, fitness, snow conditions, the fact that it is November 13th and most people don't have a whole lot of time on the snow yet, and are going to be out of tune for both technique and fitness....speaking from experience here.  There have been a few skis I like in November and early December that I am overpowering and thinking they are for intermediates come February and March. 

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Dawg, cant disagree, we could also include  wax used, tune specifics, mounting point and so on, I was just trying to focus in on the big stuff. The weight of the skier is often overlooked and it's a big factor, more than fitness or most other things (although ensuring the ski was properly tuned and is another story) Ira is a serious skier, In our conversations he also felt many reviews are not relevant to folks like him.

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Dawg, cant disagree, we could also include  wax used, tune specifics, mounting point and so on, I was just trying to focus in on the big stuff. The weight of the skier is often overlooked and it's a big factor, more than fitness or most other things (although ensuring the ski was properly tuned and is another story) Ira is a serious skier, In our conversations he also felt many reviews are not relevant to folks like him.

 

Hey Finn,

I wasn't trying to contradict you, just adding my $.02 as well! 

 

Tune, don't even get me started! I skied 2 pair of VXL's at 2 different demos last year. The first pair was HORRIBLE!  Tune (or lack therof) right out of the box, totally railed.  Got on the rep's XXL (had recently been tuned) and they couldn't have skied any better-what a fabulous ski.  Next demo, I skied the VXL, and they were every bit as good as the XXL, and miles ahead of the "out of the box" pair from the earlier demo. 

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yeah, I am truly amazed (and I am sure you know better than I) that ski's still come to market with "issues" like poor tunes, high edges or just like the recent issue with the rossi s6's.

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It is a very rare ski that can be skiied right out the wrapper without a proper tune-up.  Some manufacturers do a better job than others.  IMO, every ski should be tuned before it hits the snow.  As they come over on the boat, the curing process can and does change the factory tune.  To my way of thinking, it would be crazy to ski a new ski without tuning it.

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It is a very rare ski that can be skiied right out the wrapper without a proper tune-up.  Some manufacturers do a better job than others.  IMO, every ski should be tuned before it hits the snow.  As they come over on the boat, the curing process can and does change the factory tune.  To my way of thinking, it would be crazy to ski a new ski without tuning it.


 

This is very perceptive and absolutely correct. I'll go a bit further to state that anything can be skied out of the wrapper but nothing should be. That's right.....nothing.

 

Every ski on today's market can be improved by careful hand finishing. The differences can be subtle, they may be dramatic.......but the point is that every skier deserves the best that their ski of choice can give, and the factory "tune" just isn't it.

 

SJ

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Gotta say the tune on my skis from Da' Haus were superb.

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I have decided to post up my reviews.  I just got done with another day of demos.  Only got on 9 skis today, but spent more time on each (still got in 23K of vertical).

 

If my energy holds out I may even get some of the reviews posted later today. 

 

And...  If I'm posting reviews I'm not pulling any punches - there were plenty of skis that just plain didn't work for me.  See ya on the flip side.


*HANGING FOR YOUR REVIEWS!!!!*

 

HANGING!!!

 

I have searched the posts under your name but have not seen the reviews!

*bangs head*

 

Cheers!
 

post #44 of 45

Sorry about that.  Sometimes life just gets in the way.  I'm taking my boys out to the mountain tomorrow.  Then Saturday it's a morning of some fast skiing and then hopping a couple planes on my way to Amsterdam for the week.  I'm thinking about writing up the reviews while I'm on the plane.  What else am I going to do with 30 hours of air travel?  wink.gif

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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post
And skill, fitness, snow conditions, the fact that it is November 13th and most people don't have a whole lot of time on the snow yet, and are going to be out of tune for both technique and fitness....speaking from experience here.  There have been a few skis I like in November and early December that I am overpowering and thinking they are for intermediates come February and March. 

Sorry...a little late for jumping back in, but I somehow stopped getting notifications about this thread....  Anywho, even though I'd been doing my usual hard-core MTB'ing nearly up until the event...yeah my butt was dragging after lunch (not a strength issue, but energy level).  Nevertheless I found this a good way to test the energy-level and strength needed for a ski (I prefer the "finesse" technique anyway; i.e., use minimal input unless more is needed).  It definitely showed me that the Rossi S86 were far less maneuverable and forgiving than in the morning while the Sultans seemed to not make life considerably more difficult.  I since have flexed the S86 vs. the Sultan's and Aftershocks, and the fact that the Rossi's are considerably stiffer than the others could help to explain this (and I went to the event thinking that the Sultan's might be too stiff, but SJ's was right...not in the 165cm). 

 

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