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Are My Rossi CX80's TOO Short?

post #1 of 19
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Hi guys,

While sitting around in the offseason, I've got to thinking......Are my Rossi CX80's too short?  And if so, just how short are they?  I'm 16 years old, 6'1 and about 185-190lbs.  My reasons for going so short are a) I trusted a ski salesman, b)This ski is my one ski quiver and I like to mix up turns and terrain, and c)I got a sweet price.  I skied them last year at about 6' 180lbs and didn't have many problems (skis occasionally got chattery at very high speeds and at times didn't grip on icy steeps like I wanted them to, but for the most part, I loved em).  BTW, I ski mostly Holiday Valley, and will be skiing more midwest this year due to a possible ski instructing position.  So, what do you guys think?  All input is greatly appreciated.

Thanx

post #2 of 19
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Originally Posted by eastskier44 View Post

Hi guys,

While sitting around in the offseason, I've got to thinking......Are


Yes.
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Originally Posted by eastskier44 View Post
Are my Rossi CX80's too short?  And if so, just how short are they? 

 

 All input is greatly appreciated.

Thanx


THIS is an important question... in fact, I'd say this can't be answered without a bit more information, such as: WHAT LENGTH ARE THEY?

post #4 of 19
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HAHAHAHA wow.  I originally typed this and for some reason only a sentence went through.  The second time through I was in a hurry lol.  But they are 170s.  I think I tackled every other possible thing besides the only obvious one.  My bad.

post #5 of 19

170 is definitely NOT too short. It's a carving oriented ski, that length is fine... could you ski a longer length? Probably, but it wouldn't be 'better', it would just be more stable, a quality that the CX80 is not challenged in. I'd say your turn initiation may need some work "chattery at high speed" and "didn't grip on steeps" sound like possibly an issue with creating edge angles by pushing the tails away from your body, causing the ski to grab-release-grab-release.

post #6 of 19
Thread Starter 

I appreciate your advice, and it does make sense.  But those issues were definately not common, and were only a problem a few times.

post #7 of 19
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170 is definitely NOT too short. It's a carving oriented ski, that length is fine... could you ski a longer length? Probably, but it wouldn't be 'better', it would just be more stable, a quality that the CX80 is not challenged in. I'd say your turn initiation may need some work "chattery at high speed" and "didn't grip on steeps" sound like possibly an issue with creating edge angles by pushing the tails away from your body, causing the ski to grab-release-grab-release.

I'd reread this and think on it, because he's dead right. This is a beefy ski that has a rep for liking to grab and carve through, rather than feather. 170 is fine for you unless you are using it like a GS, in which case it's the wrong ski, not the wrong length. Chatter and skidding are usually about technique, assuming your skis are in tune. But as an instructor-to-be you knew that, huh? 
 

post #8 of 19

The Rossi CX80 is listed in three lenghts: 160, 170, 180.

 

You would want the 180 if you were heavier or much faster and not lighter than the average bear.

You would want the 160 if you were lighter or slower than the average bear.

 

I'm guessing you are a little heavier than average, but not enough to require the 180. 

As to stability and ice grip, yeah, technique might help, but even though the ski gets great reviews in that department, it is not a SG racing ski, so don't expect to get SG racing ski performance out of it.

post #9 of 19
Thread Starter 

I just wish I would have been able to get the 2010 and get the 175, a happy medium.  But I appreciate the input, and you guys definately have a point with the high speed carving, and I will work on that.  I am definately now looking forward to the season more than ever, and feel more comfortable going in because I have some faith in my skis once again.  Now I can worry about MY SKIING instead of worrying about whether its the ski or not.  Feel free to continue weighing in.

Thanks

post #10 of 19

Given that you ski the Midwest, and you are from Ohio, I assume you are talking about BM/BW. Given that info, the CX80 is probably not too short, but too wide.  For the Midwest, a 80mm ski is total overkill for the relatively small hills you encounter. At the small hills in PA and OH there is never any fresh snow, even after a storm, as they will groom it of anyways because nobody would show up if they didn't. True ice and frozen man-made snow  is what you will ski on 85% of the time, and the crud is usually limited to an inche of scraped-off hardpack. Anything over 72 mm is just wasted raw materials, IMO.

 

I know many will disagree, but using a 80mm carver like the CX80 on icy 200 foot hills in the Midwest is akin to filleting a six-inch Lake Erie perch with a meat cleaver. 

post #11 of 19
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Good guess on the resort.  I see your point Mojoman, but I used these skis at BM last year and they did great (not that it's real challenging lol).  You have to remember that a) this ski does just as well on ice as any other from my experience, so why not go wider, and b) I wasn't planning on instructing at BMBW at the time, and did most of my skiing at Holiday.  I'm having trouble completely understanding your point.  I mean you're making it seem like I went with a mid 80s all mountain ski, when really I chose Rossignol's FRONTSIDE CARVER???

post #12 of 19

I agree with Mojoman.

 

You're using a Claymore when you should be using a Katana.

 

It may be Rossi's front side carver (they make it in a 70 waist which would be better imho), but I bet the WC SL does a much better job at carving ice and hard snow.

post #13 of 19
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The CX80 is the GS version, the CS70 is the slalom version.  Completely different skis.  I went with stability at speed and a width that doesn't limit me like say a 70mm waist would. 

post #14 of 19
Thread Starter 

And obviously a race ski is going to have better grip.  I was talking about frontside carvers.  If I was only concerned about ice performance, believe me I would have gotten a race ski. 

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Good guess on the resort.  I see your point Mojoman, but I used these skis at BM last year and they did great (not that it's real challenging lol).  You have to remember that a) this ski does just as well on ice as any other from my experience, so why not go wider, and b) I wasn't planning on instructing at BMBW at the time, and did most of my skiing at Holiday.  I'm having trouble completely understanding your point.  I mean you're making it seem like I went with a mid 80s all mountain ski, when really I chose Rossignol's FRONTSIDE CARVER???


 

I used to live in Columbus and have relatives in Hudson.

 

A race ski is a frontside carver.

 

The CX80 is a frontside carver for places like Copper MT in CO or Stowe, VT --places with more than 200 feet of vertical and where not everything inbounds is a groomed and you often encounter crud, especially after a snow. On a 200 foot hill like BM/BW, where everything is always groomed, there is never crud, and it's a sheet of ice 90% of the time, the CX80 will add no versatility over a 68mm ski and will likely make teaching and demonstrating at slow speed on Ohio ice more difficult for you. That's all based on your statement that you primary use of the skis will be teaching [at BM/BW.

post #16 of 19
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That is my primary use this year, but it wasn't last year.  I will still ski at Holiday, as well as BMBW.  And no, a race ski is not a frontside carver.  If it was then what would be the point of Rossi making the CX80.  A frontside carver is a branch of the all mountain category, in which ski manufacturers tell us that a ski can function everywhere on the mountain, but really only has useful application on the frontside.  I agree that BMBW has no variety and is at times icy, but the CX80 has and still will ski it fine.     

post #17 of 19

I'm bored:devil.gif

I haven't been to Holiday Valley, but seeing as it is on the Lee side of the Lakes, I can imagine there might be some snow there once in a while to make use of the CS80.  North of Lake Ontario, you would be better off with a Radical GS FIS WC F1055 (not FIS legal men's radius). (edited: had wrong ski in before)

 

All-mountian CX80 I can buy.  More versatile I can buy.  Front side Carver? Not so much. 

 

A Caprice Wagon has and will drive that twisty road between Westport and Perth Road Village just fine; a Corvette just does it better, that's all.

A Honda Gold Wing handles the Shannonville short course just fine;  a CBR just handles it better, that's all.

 

For a 200 m hard icy hill and teaching you should get a shorter radius ski, but one that is a step down from a full-blown FIS race stock  ski (eg. Strato 70 TLD Ti).


Edited by Ghost - 11/13/10 at 5:42pm
post #18 of 19
Thread Starter 

I guess we can agree to disagree on the whole frontside carver thing.  But yes, the shorter radius ski would make a little more sense but I'm not looking a cheater slalom ski.  I gotta use what I have, which is the CX80, and what I have will do fine at BMBW.  It is not a "Caprice Wagon", and can ski hardpack just fine (given that that's really what it's designed for). 

post #19 of 19
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 I gotta use what I have,

Me too.  I'm sure you can make it work and have fun doing it. 
 

It got great carving scores in reviews.   Only thing is it will take a little more to lever them up on edge.  It will also not perform the best at slower, teaching, speeds, but I can well understand someone wanting to put up with that in exchange for some high speed stability, even if the occasion to use that high speed stability is rare.


Edited by Ghost - 11/13/10 at 5:09pm
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