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Time to replace the '06 AC3's......now what?

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East Coast skier here, Sugarloaf primarily, looking to replace a pr of AC3's. So whatchall think is good in new and/or used that won't break the bank in these tighter economic times---52 yrs old, 5'9, 178 lbs, higher end advanced-lower end expert, ski the whole mountain about 45 days a season. What I loved in the AC3---stability, grip, speed. What I hated---weight, manuerablility in trees, If these babies were lighter, more nimble in the tights and had a bit more base than they do, I would keep 'em. Well, I will keep 'em and make 'em rock skis but in the meantime I need another pair of skis. Seriously, 52 years old and no quiver. Wow. Anyways, I'd buy a pair of AC30's if I had an extra grand laying around but as I said, tough economic times....Open to suggestions. Thanks for reading and taking time to respond.

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I was going to suggest the AC30s, but last year's model is very hard to find and this year's will be pricey. Can you hold out one more season and buy something in the spring for next year? Better yet, spend this year demoing various models and then get something late season.

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Dynastar 8000 or Mythic Rider or if you get a couple extra dollars, their successors, the Sultan 85 or 95.. Much, MUCH more versatile than Volkl.

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East Coast skier here, Sugarloaf primarily, looking to replace a pr of AC3's. So whatchall think is good in new and/or used that won't break the bank in these tighter economic times---52 yrs old, 5'9, 178 lbs, higher end advanced-lower end expert, ski the whole mountain about 45 days a season. What I loved in the AC3---stability, grip, speed. What I hated---weight, manuerablility in trees, If these babies were lighter, more nimble in the tights and had a bit more base than they do, I would keep 'em. Well, I will keep 'em and make 'em rock skis but in the meantime I need another pair of skis. Seriously, 52 years old and no quiver. Wow. Anyways, I'd buy a pair of AC30's if I had an extra grand laying around but as I said, tough economic times....Open to suggestions. Thanks for reading and taking time to respond.



The two statements I've highlighted here are contradictory. The first indicates that you want something different (more nimble and versatile) than what you have. The second suggests that you'd be happy to just buy a newer version of what you already have. (actually, the AC-30 is less nimble and versatile)

 

So...............what exactly do you want?

 

Basically the same?...........................easy (AC-30 or Blizzi Mag 8.1)

More nimble/versatile?........................easy (Sultan 85, Rossi SC-86, Fischer Motive)

 

SJ

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That's a good question, SJ. What do I want? I'd have to say more nimble and versatile than the AC3's. It's everything else that I love about them that's got me contradicting myself. And just to be clear-am I reading you right? The AC30 is less nimble and versatile than it's predecessors? I didn't mention that I'm on 170's (5'9 178#). How much of a difference does it make to go shorter?  I know I would give up some stability by going shorter but I'd sacrifice some of that if it made the trees more enjoyable.

 

I'm getting good at asking questions that could be answered with a demo day(s).

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I'm getting good at asking questions that could be answered with a demo day(s).



QFT on that but with a couple of cautions.

 

First: the AC-30 has a construction rather like an I-Beam. This makes the ski very stiff underfoot which is positive on hard snow but negative in rough, mixed conditions where you want the whole ski to flex.

 

Second: a 163 is way too short. If you need a ski that short to have fun, then buying the top of the line model is not the way to go. Getting a short one will mitigate the cumbersome feel on pack or in bumps but you will not improve in mixed snow and will probably regress. Stick with at least a 170 (ish) length.

 

Third: A brief demo experience may or may not give you a true answer if a wide variety of conditions are not available. For example, if you go out early to a mass demo day (assuming they even exist where you are) you will probably have limited terrain available. If you take out a new, freshly tuned ski in a short size, it'll probably feel pretty good and this may cause you to to think that is your answer. If you skied the same ski over a wide variety of snow conditions, then you'd probably form a different conclusion.

 

SJ

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That's a good question, SJ. What do I want? I'd have to say more nimble and versatile than the AC3's. It's everything else that I love about them that's got me contradicting myself. And just to be clear-am I reading you right? The AC30 is less nimble and versatile than it's predecessors? I didn't mention that I'm on 170's (5'9 178#). How much of a difference does it make to go shorter?  I know I would give up some stability by going shorter but I'd sacrifice some of that if it made the trees more enjoyable.

 

I'm getting good at asking questions that could be answered with a demo day(s).

I liken the Blizzard 8.1 to a Volkl AC30 with a personality. It will do 98%+ of AC30 does but with more ease and 10% less demand. If you have to go shorter on AC30 to ski it, it is the wrong ski (the same can be said for going longer on some other skis). As SJ said, you are contradicting yourself, tenacious grip comes at the cost of versatility. The AC30 (old or new) is only slightly better as a tree ski than the AC50 which is only a hair better that the Grizzly, which is one of THE worst tree skis out there. 

 

The ski that comes to mind (and also that has been mentioned here) is the Sultan 85 (or if there are any around out there last years Nordica HR Pro Burner in a 170). The Sultan does have a bit more character and pop though, and if you only buy skis every 3-4 years, it is worth the step up and can be had w/ a binding for well under your break point of $1,000.

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Thanks guys for taking the time to respond....definitely appreciate it. There seems to be a boatload of skis to chose from especially if I buy new but I am leaning more towards used or leftovers to save some money, money that should really be spent on new snow tires!

 

Any thoughts on the Watea series?


Edited by Skiah - 11/11/10 at 3:49pm
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Thanks guys for taking the time to respond....definitely appreciate it. There seems to be a boatload of skis to chose from especially if I buy new but I am leaning more towards used or leftovers to save some money, money that should really be spent on new snow tires!

 

Are Fischer Motives a replacement of the Watea? Any thoughts on these?

 


Nope, they're a replacement for the Heat's.  They seem like they'll be a nicely balanced line of skis.

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Ah you beat me to it, Rauch, I edited the post after I found that out with a little research myself..........thanks

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Just don't get a 2011 AC-3. 

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Just don't get a 2011 AC-3. 



why?

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The reviews I've read rank it as a beginner ski with a lower speed limit , while the older AC 3 is good for all levels.  I guess when they came up with the AC 30 replacement, they used the old AC3 name for a lower spot in the product line. 

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Ah, I see. Excellent point. I've loved my '06's like a baby. I've watched them age. Instinctively, I think of them now as they are, AC30's but an excellent point nonetheless for someone less familiar with the Volkl family.

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Its the AC30 vs. the AC3motion.  Its basically the bottom line AC ski+a 3motion binding interface, as opposed to the much burlier AC30, with the extended double grip design and IPT wide ride binding interface

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Nope, they're a replacement for the Heat's.  They seem like they'll be a nicely balanced line of skis.


So the Heats are now Motions and the Wateas live on. Motions categorized as an all mountain and the Watea as a freerider. What's the difference between the two? Is it like sidecountry vs. backcountry? I've got some "new" sidecountry terrain at Sugarloaf this season to explore but that as far country as I"ll ever go. The reviews for these two categories seem to overlap considerably. All's I know there's a boatload of stuff to chose from.
 

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So the Heats are now Motions and the Wateas live on. Motions categorized as an all mountain and the Watea as a freerider. What's the difference between the two? Is it like sidecountry vs. backcountry? I've got some "new" sidecountry terrain at Sugarloaf this season to explore but that as far country as I"ll ever go. The reviews for these two categories seem to overlap considerably. All's I know there's a boatload of stuff to chose from.
 



I think the motives are all built like wide progressor 8's.  Nice amount of carbon (especially in the 84 C-line), and probably better on hardpack than the Watea's.  Wateas tend to be pretty light, similar construction, good but not great on hardpack, really good in moguls and powder for their respective widths, and probably (not that I'd know) pretty well suited for touring.  Of course, Fischer now has a touring line as well, so yeah--lots of overlap.

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