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One-Ski Quiver

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Thread Starter 

I'm a long-time skiier (30+ years) and I'm looking for the one-ski quiver.  I currently have a now aging pair of volkl super sports for the groomer days and Volkl Mantras for the pow.  I know, I know, 94 under foor isn't for pow, right?  It is for me.  On waist deep days, I like to be waist deep.  I tried some Solomons last year with early rise and traditional camber under foot - not for me.  Anyhow, I plan to leave the two pairs I have at home in the Bay Area for Squaw trips, but need a single ski to leave in Utah that I can (i) make reasonable turns with the kids on and (ii) lap up the pow with.  Suggestions?  Any thoughhts re Ski Logik?  I'm willing to explore up to 100 +/- mm under foot.

post #2 of 14

Here is some light reading to get you started.

 

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/92748/western-daily-drivers-in-the-90-100mm-range

 

SJ

post #3 of 14

there are a whole class of skis similar to the Mantra, probably the biggest most sophisticated class of ski right now, a model made by every major ski company, and they will all do what you say you need. between them is only  the factor of personal preference.

post #4 of 14

I would recomend the Line Prophet 100. Laps up the powder and holds an edge

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Thread Starter 

Much appreciated guys.  Still curious about the Ski logik, although the Line Prophet does seem to be pretty darn close.  The one complaint I have about my Mantras is that they don't finish turns (the tails just wash out).  Not sure if it's a camber issue (mine are the older red ones - 94 under foot).  Is that an issue with this whole class of skis?

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Originally Posted by sfappel View Post

Much appreciated guys.  Still curious about the Ski logik, although the Line Prophet does seem to be pretty darn close.  The one complaint I have about my Mantras is that they don't finish turns (the tails just wash out).  Not sure if it's a camber issue (mine are the older red ones - 94 under foot).  Is that an issue with this whole class of skis?


eh I always thought the mantra's finished turns fine, I can promise you the the P100 wont be nearly as strong of a finisher but overall its a better ski due to that..

post #7 of 14
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Originally Posted by sfappel View Post

Much appreciated guys.  Still curious about the Ski logik, although the Line Prophet does seem to be pretty darn close.  The one complaint I have about my Mantras is that they don't finish turns (the tails just wash out).  Not sure if it's a camber issue (mine are the older red ones - 94 under foot).  Is that an issue with this whole class of skis?


 

To some extent, yes it is although it is probably more of a technique problem with the skier. The Mantra is very stiff in the back half of the ski. Hence the skier needs good edge angle and proper weight placement to execute a clean finish. A narrow (feet close together) stance inhibits edge angle on any ski and the wider they get, the more important this is. Also any backseat tendencies or upper body rotation/steering moves will magnify the problems on wider/stiffer skis. Camber may be a factor because that is what distributes pressure to the extremities and edge pressure is what generates grip. Realistically though, unless you have 200 days on your Mantras it is unlikely that they have lost enough camber to be a problem.

 

SJ

post #8 of 14

I went back and forth on this subject for myself, and for this yr decided one a 0ne ski quiver of the MX88, for out west at Mt bachelor.

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I wonder if Kaestle's popularity has Volkl thinking twice about making so many models overseas. They seemed to have felt untouchable, but here comes Kaestle selling Austrian made quality and taking a chunk of the market away.

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I wonder if Kaestle's popularity has Volkl thinking twice about making so many models overseas. They seemed to have felt untouchable, but here comes Kaestle selling Austrian made quality and taking a chunk of the market away.



I doubt it, Volkl will sell more Mantra's that all of Kaestle's combined. 

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That's their German factory. still solid customer base. They will probably sell more Gotamas as well, however. How's the interest in the Kendo, another one-ski-quiver model? how would you compare the way it skis to other models? like a narrower Mantra? that big, dominant fore section to plow and start the turn,  and decent tail stiffness?

post #12 of 14

My 2 ski quiver is identical to yours, and also aging.  Actually it's two 1-ski-quivers, Mantras for West and Supersports for East.  My short list for a new Western ski is: Dynastar Sultan Legend 85 or 94, Kastler MX88, Volkl Kendo, and Stockli VXL. Hoping to try some of these out when I head West in Feb.  Assuming we have similar tastes, you may want to research these skis.

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i second the prophet 100...i will use them all season at Kirkwood. Utah snow is usually lighter and more dry than what we have in the sierra, anything with 80 plus underfoot will be fine.  BTW what a great combo Tahoe and Utah 

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Much appreciated guys.  Still curious about the Ski logik, although the Line Prophet does seem to be pretty darn close.  The one complaint I have about my Mantras is that they don't finish turns (the tails just wash out).  Not sure if it's a camber issue (mine are the older red ones - 94 under foot).  Is that an issue with this whole class of skis?

 

I think that finishing a carve cleanly is much easier on traditional skis sans the twin tip.  Add the twin tip in and a washed out carve is much more likely, in my experience. 

 

RE: Ski Logik, I'd be happy to answer any questions you have.  It seems that we're still new enough that it's hard to solicit an opinion about them online just yet.  If you are really curious I believe there are at least a few folks who have skied them that frequent Teton Gravity forums and telemarktips.com forums as well (plenty o' alpiners at telemarktips).

 

Thanks,

 

Adam

 

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