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I think I have decided to grab a pair of 191 Scott Punishers as my first all-mountain (hopefully first of many skis). Best price I can find is $255. Does anyone know if there's much of a difference between the '09 and '10 models?

 

Any suggestions on a good binding for an intermediate skiier on a budget?

post #2 of 17

How big are you and where do you ski?  "an intermediate skier" and "191 Scott Punisher" don't go together very well unless you are 6'3" and 210+ lbs... at least. I'd reconsider that length.

 

For bindings, any DIN to 12 flat binding will work.

post #3 of 17
Thread Starter 

I'm 6"5 240 and ski Snowmass primarily.

post #4 of 17

Even at 6' 5" and 240 I would also recommend going shorter, but stiffer.  You won't be doing yourself any favors on the Scott Punisher if you are a developing skier.

post #5 of 17
Thread Starter 

So you would recommend not getting the punishers (any suggestions) and getting something in the 180 range

post #6 of 17

Not 100% sure of the 2010 Punisher, but certainly in 09 it was the exactly the same ski as the Mission except in twin tip.  So if you are looking for reviews of the 09 punisher, check out the 09 Mission reviews too.

 

If it's still the case on the 2010 models (and I think it is) then the 2010 Mission is different to the 09 (just bought a set of 2010 Missions last week The reviews all define it as having 'more pop', and I think it's down to there being more metal in the ski. I haven't skied it yet so can't comment but they actually feel lighter.  I've had a pair of Scott Aztec Pros for a few years now and they're not a million miles off the Missions either, just slightly narrower, and they ski everything really well. Up until then I'd been a Volkl skier, but I have to say I'm a total Scott convert.  Unless you need a twin tip don't overlook the Mission, or indeed the Aztec if you want something only slighly more on-piste focussed but that can still handle the powder if needbe. 

post #7 of 17
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Interesting. I was just getting the Punisher because the Twin Tip looked like more fun. I don't do a ton of park stuff being as big as I am. Maybe I'll look at the Missions instead (although for some reason the Punishers are cheaper)

post #8 of 17

If you're not skiing switch or doing park the only real advantage for twin tips is in deep snow when you need to be able to back up.

 

Twin tips also change the way the ski finishes the turn (it releases a bit easier than a squared off tail).

 

I think the suggestion to look at the Mission is a good one (if you like Scott).  I would shoot for something in the low 180s lengthwise.

post #9 of 17
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Thanks. I will take a look at the Mission. I've never tried the Scott skiis, but I have skiied Fischers and I understand that they are similar.

post #10 of 17

Interesting.  I don't think Scott skis feel anything like Fischers.  Where did you get the idea that they're similar?

post #11 of 17

The Punisher and the Mission were not the same.  Different dimensions.  Could be different this year, I haven't checked.

 

Scotts are made in the Fischer factory but IMO ski nothing like a fischer.  I'm 5'11 220 or so and ski the 181, and am a level 9.   It's relatively stiff underfoot but soft tips and tails make it float well although they get a little deflected in crud.  Hold well on ice for a non-carving ski and actually carve VERY well for a twin tip.  Ski bumps really well for an 89 underfoot ski.  Best tree skiing ski I've ever skied although I have no experience on reverse/rockered stuff.

 

If you're looking for a do-it-all all-mountain oriented twin tip that you can grow into (technique speaking, doubt you'll do much more growing size-wise) you can do worse than the punisher.  You should be able to handle the 181 or the 191 I would think.  I don't know Snowmass, if it's more wide open I'd go 191.  More bumps/trees/narrow runs, I'd go 181.    

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The Punisher and the Mission were not the same.  Different dimensions.  Could be different this year, I haven't checked. 


With the twin tip, the Punisher will be a little longer than the equivalent Mission, but the figures I'm seeing for the 09 and also 10 models are:

172 Punisher & 168 Mission - both 126/86/113

182 Punisher & 178 Mission - both 128/89/115

191 Punisher & 183 Mission - both 130/90/116

 

I note there is a different turn radius quoted between the skis, but 'the word on the street' here in YouRope where Scotts have been around for nearly a decade I guess has been that the Punisher and the Mission were historically the same ski.  This is something I've also been told by ski dealers...but not to say it is correct of course, but there's a lot of folks who reckon it is.

 

Just checked the Scott web site and the 2010 Misson now looks like a different construction to the 2010 Punisher [SSCL Light apparently - gee, I did think they felt lighter]. 

 

I also looked at the US-English version of the Scott web site versus the Europe-English version - hey, you guys miss out on a lot of models!!  No Rebel, P1, Stunt, Pure, Neo, Aztec, Fire, Wind, Xplor'air, Realm and Maya.  That's a whole load of good skis short of a quiver you're getting Stateside from Scott. I see a fair few Scott skis in Europe - the shops in Chamonix are full of them - even a fair number here in Scotland, but on my annual US ski trip I've never ever seen another pair on the hill.  Even been asked quite a few times in lift lines what they are.  Always thought it strange for a US brand (OK, I know they're made by Fischer) that they're far more popular and with a wider range in Europe than 'home soil/snow'.

post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by Noodler View Post

Interesting.  I don't think Scott skis feel anything like Fischers.  Where did you get the idea that they're similar?



I got that idea from this board LOL -- people have said in other Scott threads that they are made by Fischer for Scott and ski similarly.

 

Thanks for the info! I think I will just wait unless I can get a killer deal.

post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by PaSucks View Post

The Punisher and the Mission were not the same.  Different dimensions.  Could be different this year, I haven't checked.

 

Scotts are made in the Fischer factory but IMO ski nothing like a fischer.  I'm 5'11 220 or so and ski the 181, and am a level 9.   It's relatively stiff underfoot but soft tips and tails make it float well although they get a little deflected in crud.  Hold well on ice for a non-carving ski and actually carve VERY well for a twin tip.  Ski bumps really well for an 89 underfoot ski.  Best tree skiing ski I've ever skied although I have no experience on reverse/rockered stuff.

 

If you're looking for a do-it-all all-mountain oriented twin tip that you can grow into (technique speaking, doubt you'll do much more growing size-wise) you can do worse than the punisher.  You should be able to handle the 181 or the 191 I would think.  I don't know Snowmass, if it's more wide open I'd go 191.  More bumps/trees/narrow runs, I'd go 181.    



Thanks, I appreciate the heads up. I think I'll keep looking and see if there are any really decent deals out there. Otherwise, I'm going to wait and demo a new pair of MIssions

post #15 of 17

Become an EpicSki Supporter and if they're still hooking people up here with the pro deals on Promotive.com, then you can get "pro" prices on all Scott skis (while that lasts).

 

I am currently considering picking up a pair of Mega Dozers, but can find very little feedback on them.  The 2011 Punishers are available in all sizes right now (162/172/182)

The 2011 Mission in 178 or 183 .  There's also a narrower Punisher "Jib" model.

 

I just joined an additional "team" which also gives me access to Liberty skis, so I'm trying to find out whatever I can on those too.  I'm looking at the Double Helix from Liberty and will ask for some opinions in a new thread.  The Promotive deal is surprisingly good, but a bit lean in the skis category.

 


 

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Thanks, I appreciate the heads up. I think I'll keep looking and see if there are any really decent deals out there. Otherwise, I'm going to wait and demo a new pair of MIssions

post #16 of 17
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I think I'm looking for 2010 or 2009 Missions/Punishers -- On a little bit of a tight budget I'm afraid

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With the twin tip, the Punisher will be a little longer than the equivalent Mission, but the figures I'm seeing for the 09 and also 10 models are:

172 Punisher & 168 Mission - both 126/86/113

182 Punisher & 178 Mission - both 128/89/115

191 Punisher & 183 Mission - both 130/90/116

 

I note there is a different turn radius quoted between the skis, but 'the word on the street' here in YouRope where Scotts have been around for nearly a decade I guess has been that the Punisher and the Mission were historically the same ski.  This is something I've also been told by ski dealers...but not to say it is correct of course, but there's a lot of folks who reckon it is.

 

Just checked the Scott web site and the 2010 Misson now looks like a different construction to the 2010 Punisher [SSCL Light apparently - gee, I did think they felt lighter]. 

 

I also looked at the US-English version of the Scott web site versus the Europe-English version - hey, you guys miss out on a lot of models!!  No Rebel, P1, Stunt, Pure, Neo, Aztec, Fire, Wind, Xplor'air, Realm and Maya.  That's a whole load of good skis short of a quiver you're getting Stateside from Scott. I see a fair few Scott skis in Europe - the shops in Chamonix are full of them - even a fair number here in Scotland, but on my annual US ski trip I've never ever seen another pair on the hill.  Even been asked quite a few times in lift lines what they are.  Always thought it strange for a US brand (OK, I know they're made by Fischer) that they're far more popular and with a wider range in Europe than 'home soil/snow'.


I'm guessing pre 09 the punisher/mission were slightly different dimension wise.  It wasn't much but I know for a fact they were different.  Conventional wisdom seemed to be that the mission was a flat-tailed punsher, and for all intents it was, but technically wasn't the exact same.

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