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post #91 of 96

 

 

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Bottom line is to make a turn you dont need to know what a steering angle is, or have even heard the term...but to teach skiing the more you know about the science behind it, the better.  Hence steering angle is a good concept for an instructor to know...even thou he may never ever mention it to a student.

My point was that the discussion of Steering Angle only obfuscated the OP's question; it may have been an impressive demonstration of knowledge, but it was not responsive to the question. 

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Originally Posted by nolo View Post

 

 

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Bottom line is to make a turn you dont need to know what a steering angle is, or have even heard the term...but to teach skiing the more you know about the science behind it, the better.  Hence steering angle is a good concept for an instructor to know...even thou he may never ever mention it to a student.

My point was that the discussion of Steering Angle only obfuscated the OP's question; it may have been an impressive demonstration of knowledge, but it was not responsive to the question. 


Well getting to page 2 of a skiing text is not really that impressive in my book, but thanks.

 

To say it didnt address the OP however, I dont understand that....he asked how many ways can you start a turn:

 

I responded:

 

1 - create a steering angle

 

but

 

2 ways of doing that, turn the ski, or bend it.

 

 

but

 

unlimited ways of doing that

 

 

 

Seemed bang on the OPs question to me. 

 

What is your answer to the OP?
 

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Originally Posted by nolo View Post

 

 

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Bottom line is to make a turn you dont need to know what a steering angle is, or have even heard the term...but to teach skiing the more you know about the science behind it, the better.  Hence steering angle is a good concept for an instructor to know(which is what the OP is not)...even thou he may never ever mention it to a student (which was what the OP is).

My point was that the discussion of Steering Angle only obfuscated the OP's question; it may have been an impressive demonstration of knowledge(but not to the OP), but it was not responsive to the question.icon14.gif

post #94 of 96

Thanks for your input Charlie:

 

But somtimes you need to put the questions asked in the context of what they should have asked.

 

To answer the question in the way I suspect you wanted would have leant this:

 

You can start a turn:

 

  1. With 100% of your weight on the inside egde of the inside ski (whitepass turn) standing tall outside ski near the snow
  2. With 100% of your weight on the inside egde of the inside ski (whitepass turn) standing crouched outside ski near the snow
  3. With 100% of your weight on the inside edge of the inside ski (whitepass turn) standing mid flex, outside ski near the snow
  4. With 100% of your weight on the inside egde of the inside ski (royal christie) standing tall outside ski behind your head

  5. With 100% of your weight on the inside egde of the inside ski (royal christie) standing crouched outside ski behind your head

  6. With 100% of your weight on the inside edge of the inside ski (royal christie) standing mid flex, outside ski behind your head
  7. With 100% Inside edge of the outside ski standing tall
  8. With 100% inside edge of the outsdie ski standing crouched
  9. Both edges at once
  10. worm turn
  11. blah balh blah

 

 

I am sure you can easily see as you start playing with the combinations, weight distrubution ratio's, regular things, goofy things (royal christie, worm turn)...it all becomes pretty overwhelming real quick, I could easily hit 100 options just playing with the weight distribution (100%, 99%, 98%..etc)..also I didnt even get into pivoting!

 

Instead I prefer to offer a simplified verson.  2 ways...pivot em or bend em.

 

Armed with that, a student has a fighting chance.  Two options...explore those. 

 

I have been doing this a very long time, and I assure you the 2 options is more useful and of more value to a student then a 101 options with no context or guidance. 

 

Good luck on your journey...it is rewarding, but without a guide to help sort the wheat from the chaff it can tough.

post #95 of 96
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Originally Posted by nolo View Post

If you were teaching a class, would you teach them that they need to establish a steering angle to make a turn?



Absolutely. This is why all of my athletes must be skiing with protractors in their pockets at all times. They even double as a scraper on race day... devil.gif

post #96 of 96
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...it may have been an impressive demonstration of knowledge...



Even that is a stretch.

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