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post #1 of 14
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Looking for any further opinions or info on the  Stockli VXL.There are some older posts but id appreciate any more beta as the xvl cost is becoming reasonable.   I need a mid fat for everyday east coast fun.  Like the mantras alot, but i want something a tad lighter  and/or less tiring to throw around.  Other recent skis ive been on and enjoyed were the movement tahoe's which i think have a softer snow bias.  I also use and enjoy volkl all stars and rossi cx 80s.  Which are narrow,hard snow and medium turn limited, respectively.   Thanks all in advance. 

post #2 of 14

 

Awsum as I think the Vixels are, I must say that when the edges are engaged they do _not_ feel lighter than a Mantra.

post #3 of 14

Well here's something for you if you haven't seen it. It's last January but these skis haven't changed have they?

Haven't spent much time on the Mx88 - only 1 day and maybe two days on the Stockli, but I'd agree with what schatten says here.  I skied the Stockli vxl 176cm with a vist plate and binding system and it was heavy - maybe the heaviest shaped ski i've ever been on, but awesome. Skied it from crud pow to deep pow to packed. I actually started going out of the decent snow to ski the cruddy refrozen just to have fun blasting through it. Absolutely loved that ski.

 

The Mx88 I skied short-168 in more eastern like conditions though it was at Aspen Highlands. Great ski, fun, friendly. I did not find it a long turn high speed blaster, but to be fair it was short. (Then again slalom skis are short, but maybe expectations are different)

If you can get either of them for what you consider reasonable, then go with that. If you like massive speed, go Stockli.

 

Maybe Philpug has a comment. He loves the Mx88 he calls it the best ski ever, and that's saying a lot since he's skied a lot of skis. (Now if he calls something the best binding ever, we should rush out and buy it!) I can't remember if he pried the Stockli's out of my hands at Big Sky for a couple runs. He also owned and loved the Elan 88 that silver one.

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from: http://www.epicski.com/products/2010-kastle-mx-88/reviews#1531

it's the third review on that page

Kastle MX 88 vs Stockli Stormrider VXL

 

schatten reviewed January 20, 2010 at 5:27 am
A few weeks ago I demoed the Kastle MX 88 at Mammoth and loved it.  2 weeks later I went back to Mammoth and demoed the Stockli Stormrider VXL and also loved it.  The next day after demoing the VXL I decided to buy the Kastle MX 88s.  Only after skiing each ski back to back did I become disappointed with the MX 88.   Both skis will perform perfectly anywhere, but I preferred the Stormrider's stable and smooth ride over the MX 88's energetic playful feel.  I couldn't justify paying so much money on a ski that was only second so I decided to bite the bullet and pay a restock fee to make the exchange.

Dimensions:
Kastle: 128-88-113  radius: 17.5 @ 168
Stockli: 126-86-111  radius: 17.6 @ 169

As you can see the dimensions are basically the same.  However, the two skis each have a very distinct feel to them.  I think this comes from the way their tips are shaped.  The Kastle's tip is more turned up and so it skis slightly shorter.  The Kastle's tip is also slightly softer so it feels a little more playful and has slightly more snow feel.  The Stockli feels heavier when skied, but also feels more stable.  The Stockli's tip is not turned up as much as the Kastle's so it skis slightly longer.  Overall I preferred the Stockli over the Kastle, but its mostly about personal preference.  

Either way these two skis are easily the best skis I've ever been on.  They have helped me reach a level of skiing that I never thought was possible for me.  

A word of warning: demo the Stormrider VXL and the Kastle MX88 back to back to get an idea of which ski you like the feel of.

Groomers/Hard Snow: Stockli
Bumps/Quickness: Kastle
Crud: Stockli
Speed/Stability: Stockli
Powder: Kastle
Durability: Stockli (kastle's white top sheet shows scratches and dents easier)
Versatility: Kastle
post #4 of 14

That's my take on the MX88 versus VXL too.  The VXL definitely has a more "glued to the snow" edge feel that some may like and some may not.  For me it is my cup of tea.

 

My only beef with the VXL now (since late last season) is that it doesn't have a deep enough sidecut for my liking.  I've pretty much resigned myself to never buying anything over an 18m sidecut again.  The 21m radius on the 179cm VXL can be coaxed into some smallish medium radius turns, but it's more work than I would like.  I've pretty much found nirvana with the Stockli Spirit Globe even though it's only 72mm underfoot.  It skis every bit like a VXL.  Everyone is going wider while I'm going narrower - I've never been one to run with the crowd.

post #5 of 14

The VXL is sweet.  Buy it!  It is a bit softer and more nimble than the Mantra: I like it quite a bit better, as the Mantra can feel a bit 2x4'ish for lighter skiers.  The MX88 is also really nice, and has a touch more heft at speed in rough snow, but I think the VXL flows better in bumps and feels more nimble somehow.  Could be the bit softer flex or narrower waist.  It is nice and turny too, as you can arc it into a pretty small radius, whereas the MX88 is stiffer and takes a bit more energy to work.  Just watch the tune out of the box: I skied a pair that wasn't tuned, and it felt very railed. The tuned pair was sweet, one of the best midfats I tried last year.  I also own the XXXL, and that is more of a beefed-up MX88, lacking any sort of reasonable speed limit, but probably not what you are looking for.  If you really love the Mantra and want something lighter and more nimble, you could always just it's little brother, the Kendo.

 

Also, the Elan Apex was similar in feel to the VXL, and I enjoyed it just as much.  I put a few good days on my pair last spring and thought it was one of the most complete midfats, top-to-bottom, that I have yet found.  

post #6 of 14

Is the Apex changed at all from the 888?  besides name.

post #7 of 14

I believe that the 888 and the Apex are identical except for graphics and slight changes to allow easier attachment of skins.

post #8 of 14
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I believe that the 888 and the Apex are identical except for graphics and slight changes to allow easier attachment of skins.


These skis were actually overhauled internally quite a bit.  The Apex/Spire/Olympus all feature more of a rockered tip, but the main difference is the core. It has been milled out in strips, making the ski a bit softer and easier to release at the end of the turn.  The Apex and Olympus seem to absorb terrain much better than the 888 and 1010 did, and the Apex in particular is now extremely good in bumps.  Stability is about the same, it just feels like it hugs the snow a bit better.  The Apex was, for me, at least in the top 3 midfats I tested last spring, and was the one I purchased for the bulk of my spring skiing.  After a few days on it, my opinion didn't change; it rips in every way, but the flex was perfect for me, whereas it was a touch stiff when it was the older 888 model.  

 

Holiday said the best turns he has seen me make were on the Apex, when we were testing at the Tahoe demo. I got a couple of deep days on the new Olympus as well: due to the fact that it was a soft snow ski, the changes weren't as apparent. The new tip was a bit easier to initiate, but other than that, it felt very similar to the 1010.  

 

I skied the Spire twice: the first time it had a bad tune or had taken a shot to the edge.  The second time was in manky, 4" of barely new snow, some of the wettest I have ever seen.  The big soft tip just ate up the crappy crud and smoothed things out.  I preferred it slightly over the Mantra (I skied it next run) as the Mantra was much stiffer and I was getting bounced more, whereas the Spire was sucking up the terrain.  It was a little vague on the groomers though: the Mantra, being stiffer, is probably better there.

 

 

post #9 of 14

Thanks for that update dawg - I had forgotten about the core change in the lineup.  However, the Elan site doesn't have the Apex showing any "resort" rocker.  Are you sure that the tip profile is now different?

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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post

 

Also, the Elan Apex was similar in feel to the VXL, and I enjoyed it just as much.  I put a few good days on my pair last spring and thought it was one of the most complete midfats, top-to-bottom, that I have yet found.  


Scott,

Welcome back...       how did the summer riding go?

How would you compare the Elan Apex to the 09/10 Head Peak 88 (the detuned M88)?

 

Also, I was told by a Head rep that the Kastlle MX88 and Head Peak 88 are "twins", i.e. made in the same factory (true), and perform the same (?)...any truth to this?

 


Edited by nfp158 - 11/8/10 at 4:34pm
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Also, I was told by a Head rep that the Kastlle MX88 and Head Peak 88 are "twins", i.e. made in the same factory (true), and perform the same (?)...any truth to this?

 


Not Dawgcatching, but have owned a iM88, currently own MX88's, agree that the two brands are made in the same factory. Cannot agree with second phrase for any of either I've skied. Closest thing to a MX88 IMO is the Stockli that never happened; an SS that didn't hand you your a** in a sling. Cannot speak to the Peak 88, but then it isn't made anymore either... 

 

Sorry for the interruption; now back to the regularly scheduled - and more informative - conversation. 

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Not Dawgcatching, but have owned a iM88, currently own MX88's, agree that the two brands are made in the same factory. Cannot agree with second phrase for any of either I've skied. Closest thing to a MX88 IMO is the Stockli that never happened; an SS that didn't hand you your a** in a sling. Cannot speak to the Peak 88, but then it isn't made anymore either... 

 

Sorry for the interruption; now back to the regularly scheduled - and more informative - conversation. 

Beyond,

One can find new 09-10 Peak 88s for ~$300, and new MX88s for >$900....hence my question.


 

post #13 of 14
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Beyond,

One can find new 09-10 Peak 88s for ~$300, and new MX88s for >$900....hence my question.


 

No, definitely not the same!  The Peak topsheet is more fragile, and the ski is much softer laterally.  You can twist it with your hand, whereas the MX88 is pretty stout laterally.  There is only a top coating of metal on the Peak 88, and the MX88 as 2 .5mm layers of titanium. The Peak is a fun bump ski, as it has a soft tip and is nimble too. The MX88 is more of a ripper though, much better at speed, and much more tuned for the aggressive skier.  For moderate-speed skiers, the Peak is likely better. The MX88 is way better for aggressive skiers, though.  I would ski the Peak in 180, which brings the stability up somewhat, although it doesn't quite have the horsepower still of the MX.  There is a good reason why the MX series sells for big $ and is rarely discounted much: they are really good skis.

 

Cycling race season went well. I was top 60 at Cascade, which is a big mostly pro NRC stage race with a 200 rider field, and got 11th at the USA Cycling Elite Nationals, in the road race.  Just missed out on the podium move by 10 meters; had I not been asleep at the wheel, I would have been in the small group sprinting for 2nd, with a legit chance to podium.  It was a big upgrade from being a lowly Cat 2 last year.    
 

post #14 of 14

I just got the new VXLs and they are absolutely immaculate. Ski can be pushed to immortal speeds and looks like it will float well in the pow.  

 

Definitely a beefy ski, if it were a car it would be a porsche cayenne turbo. 

 

Really good quality, good to match up with a marker royal....griffon/jester

 

Demo it if you ever make it to mammoth, thats why I bought it and where it thrives!

 

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