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Which Fischer Progressor?

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 

Had settled on the 10+ but having second thoughts.  Posted a question on 10+ vs Blizzard G Power FS a month ago.  Now wondering about the rest of the Progressor line.

 

I''m 43 years old, in good shape, small (150 lbs and 5'6").  I'm an ex-racer, East Coaster.  I prefer short turns.  I ski fast but, again, I'm light and probably more on the "finesse" rather than "power" end of the scale.  I ski hard, about 30 days a year.

 

Was shying away from a pure race ski as I like to get into bumps and crud too, but the main thing I want is a relatively stiff carver with good agility and rebound, better at short than long turns.  Looking at the Progressor line, it seems the 8+ may be the most agile and have the shortest turning radius, but I wonder if it's stiff enough to satisfy my carving needs.  The 9+ seems to be more of a GS ski.  The 10+ I can't really get good info on. 

 

Does any one know of a shop near Killington or Okemo that demos the full Progressor line?

 

Will I lose much performance with the 8+?

 

Is the 10+ more agile/short turn oriented than the 9+?

 

Is the Blizzard G Power FS a better choice for my puropses? Any other suggestions?

 

Thanks!


Edited by hirustler - 11/5/10 at 11:55am
post #2 of 18

I read your previous post and also this one. I have not skied on any of the Progressors, but have skied the Fischer RC (cheater GS) and Race SC (recreational slalom ski that someone else also mentioned). I have a friend who skis on the Progressor 8+ and two others who have time on the 9+. Like you, I'm relatively light (5' 7", 135lbs). My comments are:

 

1) You can't have it all. I know you know that. (See Philpug's "What Answer Do You Want" thread.)

 

2) The way you describe your skiing in both posts (edge of the trail, steeps, short turns, etc.), I think that the Progressor 9 and 10 might not be turny enough for you. They both need some speed and elbow room to perform at their carving-cruiser best - especially for smaller folks like us who might not bend them deeply at moderate speeds. The 8+ is turny, but as a "former college racer" I suspect, like the other poster, that you would like the Race SC better because it's more precise and torsionally stiff. I loved it. In any case I think you should try a couple of skis with more sidecut - like the Nordica Spitfire that Jim recommended - before you go for a more recreational GS-style ski like the Progressor 9/10. I have not tried any of the new Blizzard Power series. I own the Supersonic, which I like a lot, and believe to be a slightly ligher and quicker take on the Progressor 9. Even this might not as quick as you are looking for, though. Race SC or something similar.

 

post #3 of 18

I replaced my beat Fischer RX8s with a pair of Progressor 8+ last year.  I really like them and suspect they are very close to what you want.  Not a race ski, but definitely a versatile advanced to expert level ski that works in a variety of eastern conditions.  I'm 5'7" 150lbs Level 8/9 skier, but since I'm 64, don't ski as aggressively as I use to.  Got mine at the Forerunner Ski Shop at Killington.  Check them out for demos.   

post #4 of 18
Thread Starter 

I love this website.  Nice to know I'm not the only one who takes these decisions seriously.  The replies to both posts have been great. I've also followed other similar posts.

 

I remain concerned the Progressor 8+ will be too soft or shaky at speed, but I'll demo it if I can.

 

Here's my working list for demos this December before I buy.  Would like to buy before Xmas.  If anyone knows where these skis can be demoed that'd be great:

 

Fischer WC SL

Fischer Progressor 8+

Blizzard Magnesium SLR

Blizzard G Power FS

Kastle RX SL

Nordica Spitfire edt

Nordica Firearrow 74

Atomic D2 VF 75

 

In reality I'll be lucky to demo half of them.

 

Thanks,

Peter

post #5 of 18

Just pulled the trigger today on the Progressor 10+ ... did a lot of research on it but never demoed it since it's new to the market. The ski pros at the ski shop though really listened to what I was looking to do and thought it was the right ski for me. 

 

If your going with the Progressor line I"d recommend the 10+ with the adjustable binding setting that enables the ski to flex in different snow conditions. It's also just a bit wider under foot which should make it better in other conditions found on the east coast.

post #6 of 18

I have over 50 days on my Progressor 8+s.  A dozen of those in powder at Vail (yeah I know not the best ski for the task, but I had fun,) the rest of the time on the East Coast.

 

I weigh in the high 180's and skied the 170 length.  Although I'm not a speed demon I had no issues with them being shaky at speed.  Someone lighter then me would have even less of an issue in that dept. I'd think.

 

They are a great all around ski, and the lack of metal is an advantage in some conditions.  Besides making nice short turns they are happy going fast and fairly straight (unlike many carving skis) and also do a good job side slipping, flat 360's and other non-carving tasks.  Flat 360's was one of the tests I put all the skis I demo'd through, and these were the best at it in fact.

 

I demo'd both the 8+'s and the 9+'s on the same day and found them much more versatile, and in particular much better at short turns then the 9+'s, but still as I said, quite comfortable in big wide open turns too.

post #7 of 18

I would rate the Supersonic above the G-Power for being a versatile ski such as the 10+. I would rate the 9+ the most stout of the 3 Progressors; the 10+ is a bit softer, especially with the softer plastic plate, and turnier, more like the Supersonic. The G-Power is, to me, a bit beefed up and doesn't have the energy and playfulness of the Supersonic, which is just outstanding in it's versatility: it has to be one of the best carver bump skis around.  The 8+ skis quite similarly, but with less top-end. The 9+ is definitely more of a GS, damp feel, somewhat similar to the (outstanding) WC RC, but not quite as stout. I loved it as an all-mountain ripper in 175cm, primarily for hard snow, but it does crud and bumps well enough. The 10+ seems more like a Head Supershape Magnum style ski: turny, not too stout, and capable of pretty much anything. 

 

Hope this helps. 

post #8 of 18

I'm 6'1' and 185lbs., ski in the east and never had any problem running out of top end on the Progressor 8+.  Very versatile ski that can make short, medium and longer turns, handles well in bumps and crud, and has a ton of rebound and energy.  I was debating between the 8+ and 9+ 3 years ago and ended up going with the 8+ because of it's versatility.  9+ is supposed to be a great ski, but is very stiff and "race ski like".  I had the RX8 before the Progressor and loved it, but felt it lacked at speed.  Never had that issue with the 8+.

 

Mike

post #9 of 18
Thread Starter 

Great info, very much appreciated.

I think I've narrowed it down to 4 or 5 skis:

 

Blizzard:   Magnesium SLR or Supersonic

Fischer:    WC SL or Progressor 10+

Atomic:     VF 75

 

I have Volkl Mantras for softer/cruddier days, so now I'm leaning towards a "cheater" race ski. Cant wait to get out and demo them.

 

Thanks for the responses.  Any one know a shop in Vermont that demos some of these boards?

 

pete

post #10 of 18

I think it's pretty rare for shops to demo race skis (e.g., SLR). Equipe Sport in Stratton was demoing Blizzards a couple years ago. They may still.

 

I'm confused about your mixing of full-on race skis with non-race carvers, though. You're not looking at some skis designed to be "in-between" these two categories. For example, Fischer has typically had a the full-on race slalom (WC SL that you listed), then a slightly detuned version for high-school racers, etc. (now called WC SC Pro), and an even more detuned vesrion (now called Superrace SC), before you even get to the Progressor line, which is yet more recreationally oriented in terms of width (and marketing). Why did you skip right over the SC Pro and the Superrace SC and go right to the WC SL? Bottom line: Seems to me like you've got apples and oranges in your list. Not sure if this is intentional or if you are confused by the (admittedly very confusing) Fischer model lineup.

post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by hirustler View Post

Great info, very much appreciated.

I think I've narrowed it down to 4 or 5 skis:

 

Blizzard:   Magnesium SLR or Supersonic

Fischer:    WC SL or Progressor 10+

Atomic:     VF 75

 

I have Volkl Mantras for softer/cruddier days, so now I'm leaning towards a "cheater" race ski. Cant wait to get out and demo them.

 

Thanks for the responses.  Any one know a shop in Vermont that demos some of these boards?

 

pete

 

You may want to look at the WC SC, not the SL. The SL is a full-speed race ski and not really a great choice for freeskiing.  It is pretty demanding. The SLR (consumer ski) is a great choice as well.  I wish I had kept my pair. Supersonic is one of the most recommended frontside skis around.  Also check out the Head iTitan.  In 170cm, it is a carving machine.  
 

post #12 of 18

Agree that you should add Fischer WC SC to your list.


Edited by Ghost - 11/8/10 at 6:24pm
post #13 of 18
Thread Starter 

My bad, the Fischer lineup threw me off.  It's the Fischer WC SC that I meant to add to my list.

 

I know the WC SC and Blizzard SLR are different from the Supersonic and Progressor 10+, but having not been on race skis for 15 years, and being in much better shape than my college days, I'm really curious to see how I might like a modern  "prosumer" race ski.  I do think that some shops in Killington/Ludlow have these skis available for demo. Maybe Peak Performance?  Need to get on the phone and figure that out.  

 

I haven't seen many shops around here selling Heads, but I'd love to give them a try too.

post #14 of 18

See my post #3.  Forerunner Ski Shop at Killington carries Fischer.  Heads too.

post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by hirustler View Post

My bad, the Fischer lineup threw me off.  It's the Fischer WC SC that I meant to add to my list.

 

I know the WC SC and Blizzard SLR are different from the Supersonic and Progressor 10+, but having not been on race skis for 15 years, and being in much better shape than my college days, I'm really curious to see how I might like a modern  "prosumer" race ski.  I do think that some shops in Killington/Ludlow have these skis available for demo. Maybe Peak Performance?  Need to get on the phone and figure that out.  

 

I haven't seen many shops around here selling Heads, but I'd love to give them a try too.

being an out of shape old man, I can tell you that the problem with race skis is not that you have to be in shape to handle them, it's that unless you are a heavy weight, you have to ski fast for them to work properly, too fast for some crowded slopes if you want to keep it safe and keep your lift pass.  The SC will let you relax.
 

post #16 of 18

Is there any difference between the 2010 and 2011 blizzard supersonics?

post #17 of 18
Thread Starter 

The owner of a shop in Pittsfield MA told me the '10 and '11 Supersonics are identical except maybe minor cosmetic changes.

post #18 of 18
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Originally Posted by Poppa Ski Love View Post

Is there any difference between the 2010 and 2011 blizzard supersonics?



Not that I am aware of.  I am penciling in that as my "carver" for this winter, which hopefully won't get as much use as my bigger boards. 

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