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Need help, problem with my thought process

post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 

Here is the deal, wife is novice skier who only goes a few times a year while my daughter  (13 year old) skis with 2x per week.

 

My plan was to get k2 True Luv (60/40) at 156 which would suit them both and we could just adjust the binding when my wife skis.  I just got a phone call from the shop stating that my wife's ski boot will not fit in the k2 binding, so I need to choose a different ski. My options are Volkl, Rossy, Elan (not sure if they would work either).

 

Or I can just rent skis for my wife whenever she goes as she will already have the all important boot.

 

I told the shop I will stop by tomorrow, so any help would be appreciated.

post #2 of 28

Does it have a demo binding on it?

post #3 of 28
Thread Starter 
IiNot sure. I forgot to mention that my wife has mens diabello boot
post #4 of 28

I don't think that the skis that will work best for your wife are really the ones that your daughter will want to be on or should be on. As a novice who skis infrequently, your wife needs a more forgiving ski. My daughter who is now a little older wouldn't have liked that kind of ski and I don't think that it will be the best for your daughter either as long as you want her to get a ski that she can get better on and have fun with. I think you can probably find a nice, forgiving novice type ski for your wife at a heavily discounted price, especially if you buy last year's model. That would set her up for the foreseeable future--maybe something like the K2 Sweet Luv which are on sale now at REI. Then you could look at getting your daughter something that she can have fun with that will also push her.

post #5 of 28

If your wife is planning on skiing with your daughter, then renting may we the best option in any case.  As alluded to, a demo binding might work for both (not sure if that ski has an intergrated binding or not).

post #6 of 28
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the input.

 

My wife only skis when we head out west (without daughter).  We decided that she will just rent skis and we will have the skis sized for our daughter.  Zman, just wondering what ski you would rec. for my daughter who is a intermediate skier but skis on the slow side (at least for me).  This is her 4 season out and can handle most runs at the local hill at holiday valley (no double diamonds) and did alright at snowbird late april (did some diamonds but mainly blue).  Last year she ski K2 Luv Bug 136 which is a junior ski, but has grown quite a bit.  The 156 are sized properly for her (about nose height).

 

I am a little bias to k2 as I have apache recons.  I didn't care for Volkl at all but did like Elans and Head.

 

I will definitely check out skis for wife at end of season.

 

post #7 of 28

I think your idea of the True Luv isn't bad or you can look at something like the Free Luv or Lotta Luv since you like K2 skis. Another brand to look at is Dynastar (Idyll) or last year's Exclusive Active or Exclusive Legend. A lot of it depends upon where you do most of your skiing and whether you want the skis biased towards on piste/groomers/hard snow or off piste and soft snow. When my daughter was 13 she got her first pair of women's skis, Dynastar Legends, 75mm under foot (then again she also had a pair of Volkl Queen Ativas for deeper days). Before that she was skiing K2 Apache Jr (the older word core ones) kids skis. I've tended to buy my kids brand new, but one or two year old skis that can often be found online at places like Al's Ski Barn or the Evogear Outlet.

post #8 of 28
Thread Starter 

just a quick update.  

 

I ended changing my daughter to 149 size.  The rep thought even though my daughter is around 5'5 or so but only 105 lbs that a shorter ski would be better.  I didn't want to get 142 for fear that she would outgrow this year.  Hopefully the 149 will last her for 4 years or so.

 

For my wife I rented skis for the season ($89).  I figured by the time we rent skis in Tahoe for 2 days that the price would be about the same anyways.  Hopefully now I can get her out to the local hill as well.

 

Thanks for all the advice

 

mark

 

post #9 of 28
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Originally Posted by Mark Tebor View Post

 

 Hopefully the 149 will last her for 4 years or so.


I've got bad news, at 13 you'll be lucky she's in the same pair 2 years.

 

If not outgrown, then style like 4 sure.

post #10 of 28
Thread Starter 

think I am over thinking this.  I took a look at the k2 size chart and according to that daughter should be on 163 not 149.  I am wondering if I should take it back and get the 156s.  ugh.

post #11 of 28

What ski did you end up getting?  at 100 lbs, coming from a 136, for someone who skis slowly, 149 does not seem too bad for this year.   Don't expect here to stay with this ski for four years though.

post #12 of 28
Thread Starter 

Today was the first day I actually checked on the size and the ski is chin level.  I think I am going to take them back and get the larger ski as I was planning on something for  2 seasons (or more) and I am concerned that she would only get one out of this size.  We took the tape measure today and she is almost 5'7".  The rate she is growing she could be 5'10 by next year.  In regards to the weight, we are going on a cruise this winter so I can count on another 7lb weight gain.

 

I don't understand why the sizing chart at evo.com states the 149 is up to 5'1", 155cm :5'1 to 5'5" 163cm 5'3 to 5'7.  I can't see her in the 163 though.  The sizing chart is only by size and not weight...and ability isn't mentioned at all, but I would assume that someone who is a good skier would be a longer ski. smile.gif

post #13 of 28
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Originally Posted by Mark Tebor View Post

Today was the first day I actually checked on the size and the ski is chin level.  I think I am going to take them back and get the larger ski as I was planning on something for  2 seasons (or more) and I am concerned that she would only get one out of this size.  We took the tape measure today and she is almost 5'7".  The rate she is growing she could be 5'10 by next year.  In regards to the weight, we are going on a cruise this winter so I can count on another 7lb weight gain.

 

I don't understand why the sizing chart at evo.com states the 149 is up to 5'1", 155cm :5'1 to 5'5" 163cm 5'3 to 5'7.  I can't see her in the 163 though.  The sizing chart is only by size and not weight...and ability isn't mentioned at all, but I would assume that someone who is a good skier would be a longer ski. smile.gif

She'll likely put on a few pounds just because she is still growing.
Weight matters more than height imo.  My rule of thumb for ski height for those who aren't accomplished enough to choose for themselves is from chin to top of head depending on ability.  However, it also depends on what ski she is on, if the ski is very stiff, then she may have better luck bending the shorter 149 cm ski with her current weight.  If it's a K2, I suspect it is not a very stiff ski and she can bend the 155 ski just fine. 

 

PS. My daughter who is an intermediate skier somewhere around 125 lbs likes her 156 cm Porsches.  We rented a Dynastar Exclusive Elites in 153 and said they worked fine although they felt a little short IIRC.

post #14 of 28
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Originally Posted by Mark Tebor View Post

think I am over thinking this.  I took a look at the k2 size chart and according to that daughter should be on 163 not 149.  I am wondering if I should take it back and get the 156s.  ugh.



Yes. And if she grows to 5'10" in the next year, just pass the 156s to your wife and get something longer for your daughter.

post #15 of 28
Thread Starter 

Now that I am back home I can type on computer instead of phone.  I had the chance to stop by a different ski shop.  I went over all the specifics and because we are in the NE they gave some recommendations for the 149

 

1. NE ski, which is harder snowpack so a shorter ski would be easier

2. Since her last ski was a beginner junior (luvbug 136), the 149 would be a better transition ski even though it is an intermediate womans ski.

3. Weight.  while she could ski the 155, with her light weight she would be better off on the shorter ski (My daughter is a bean pole). Since she mainly skis on piste and likes to do moguls the 149 might be a better fit.

 

The first ski shop still think a 142 would be better which I disagree with.  They stressed that you have to look at the enjoyment factor as well and of course skiing a slightly shorter ski would be more fun.

 

While the first shop insist that the 149 would hold her for a good additional 50 lbs the second said about another 25 lbs. 

 

Both shops offer trade ins, maybe the idea is to trade in at the end of the season or early next season and pick up this years model if I decide to go with 149.

 

I just hate the idea of spending $600 this year and dropping another 300 or so next. 

 

So as of right now I am still deciding and not quite sure which way to go.

post #16 of 28
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Originally Posted by Mark Tebor View Post

They stressed that you have to look at the enjoyment factor as well and of course skiing a slightly shorter ski would be more fun.


Only if she never breaks 15 mph. 142???  And I would bet anything that the reason your daughter seemed to ski too slowly is because she was on skis that were too short -- 136 is just tiny for someone over 5 ft tall. It's hard to balance, and scary when you pick up speed because the skis aren't stable. Give her a little more stability, and speed becomes fun, not scary.

 

 I also have a bean pole, she is 5'4" and 85lb ... I assume she will start gaining weight eventually, though, as your daughter will. I know my daughter was so much happier at the end of  last season after jumping from a 143 to a 158. (Now, the 158 is a tweener ski, not an adult ski, but we are still a bit under 100lb here.) Do you think you could have her demo or rent a shorter pair and a longer pair and let HER decide before you buy?

 

I know you want to not be buying lots more skis, but she is still growing, that's just part of the deal. (And you can't really predict when they'll stop growing, either ... she's 13, most girls start to taper off in height at that point and start adding pounds -- but everyone is diffferent.)  I definitely wouldn't spend $600  on a growing kid. I would find a pair of cheaper, softish skis in a 150-ish length, use them for a couple of years until she is built more like a woman than a kid, and then buy the pair to last, which by then would probably be 160-ish, and would be useful a lot longer -- at least you would have an idea of what her final height is going to be. But spending lots of money on a chin-length ski for a growing person is just asking to buy more skis sooner than later, imo.

post #17 of 28
Thread Starter 

segbrown, thanks for your thoughts.  Haste makes waste, I should of waited til ski season actually started before I purchased the skis so I am kind of stuck there.  I am waiting for a few more people to chime in on this (hopefully before tuesday) to try to get a better idea on what would be best.  I wouldn't bother me if the ski would last 2 seasons, I just don't want to get stuck for only one though.  At the same time I want to make sure she is enjoying herself as well.

 

I think I would have a different opinion if the shop wasn't so adamant that 155 is too large.

post #18 of 28


Agree 100 % with segbrown.

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Only if she never breaks 15 mph. 142???  And I would bet anything that the reason your daughter seemed to ski too slowly is because she was on skis that were too short -- 136 is just tiny for someone over 5 ft tall. It's hard to balance, and scary when you pick up speed because the skis aren't stable. Give her a little more stability, and speed becomes fun, not scary.

 

 I also have a bean pole, she is 5'4" and 85lb ... I assume she will start gaining weight eventually, though, as your daughter will. I know my daughter was so much happier at the end of  last season after jumping from a 143 to a 158. (Now, the 158 is a tweener ski, not an adult ski, but we are still a bit under 100lb here.) Do you think you could have her demo or rent a shorter pair and a longer pair and let HER decide before you buy?

 

I know you want to not be buying lots more skis, but she is still growing, that's just part of the deal. (And you can't really predict when they'll stop growing, either ... she's 13, most girls start to taper off in height at that point and start adding pounds -- but everyone is diffferent.)  I definitely wouldn't spend $600  on a growing kid. I would find a pair of cheaper, softish skis in a 150-ish length, use them for a couple of years until she is built more like a woman than a kid, and then buy the pair to last, which by then would probably be 160-ish, and would be useful a lot longer -- at least you would have an idea of what her final height is going to be. But spending lots of money on a chin-length ski for a growing person is just asking to buy more skis sooner than later, imo.


You would be skiing slowly too if you were stuck with 136 cm lovebugs. 

 

I can recall a few years ago when I was looking for a short radius ski (after finally admitting that my SGs weren't really that well suited for the hills I was able to get to), that I demoed some RX8s and at the same time had my daughter try out some head lightning skis that were recommended by the shop.  We skied Calabogie peaks.  My daughter seemed to ski ok, but was skiing very slowly all the time.  I spent a lot of time waiting for her.  She just didn't trust the skis at speed or on steeper runs.  At one point while I was deliberating whether to go to the lift and run the trail again or keep waiting (I failed to notice the trail markings and ended up on a black), she had even taken them off, preferring to climb down on slipery boot soles rather than risk skiing the rented skis.  She seemed to be skiing ok, just slow.   Her opinion of women's skis was that they were not very good.

 

Later I bought her some expert-level skis, and all of a sudden she was skiing at reasonable speeds, and actually enjoyed skiing at higher speeds when the trail was empty (she's too responsible to speed through a crowded run).

 

Get her the 149s at least.

 

ALSO WHAT MODEL of SKI are you looking at?  This makes a big difference.

post #19 of 28

This would be my thought process: all these are softer, kinda "tweener" type skis, and short enough to be a good transition from the 136s, and cheap enough that you don't want to kill yourself when she outgrows them in a year or two. I say this not as a ski shop person, but as someone relatively long and light, who has a long and light daughter, who has discovered that size charts aren't so simple.

 

http://www.peterglenn.com/product/roxy-hocus-pocus-n-9-ski-system (146)

 

http://www.departmentofgoods.com/rossignol-scratch-fs-ski-girls (148)

 

http://www.trusnow.com/K2-Missconduct-Skis.asp (149)

 

post #20 of 28


 

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Originally Posted by Mark Tebor View Post

segbrown, thanks for your thoughts.  Haste makes waste, I should of waited til ski season actually started before I purchased the skis so I am kind of stuck there.  I am waiting for a few more people to chime in on this (hopefully before tuesday) to try to get a better idea on what would be best.  I wouldn't bother me if the ski would last 2 seasons, I just don't want to get stuck for only one though.  At the same time I want to make sure she is enjoying herself as well.

 

I think I would have a different opinion if the shop wasn't so adamant that 155 is too large.

 

I have no idea why they think a nose height ski for an intermediate kid who skis twice a week (ie, who will improve rapidly) would be too big ... her low weight? (And possibly the fact that they want to sell you 155s next year, when she has outgrown the 149s)

 

So does that mean you can't get your money back? In that case, I think I would buy the 156s, then rent a pair of skis in the high 140s or 150 while she transitions (which probably won't take more than a couple of weeks), then put her on the 156s for the next few seasons. Or maybe if it's apparent during the rental period that the 149s are enough ski, could you do a season rental and just hang onto the 156s for next year? It would be cheaper than a trade-in, wouldn't it? I just don't think the 149s will last more than a year.

 

(How tall are you and her mother?)
 

post #21 of 28

You are over thinking it, I'd go with the longer, she will adjust to them, my girls did, she's a teen.

 

...and what's this, no Roxy twin talk?

post #22 of 28

What is the model and the dims of the ski you are looking at?

 

I was in the shop getting skis for my wife and I was set on the 176 Atomic Century.  Shop guy tries to talk us into the 166.   Really had me second guessing, but in the end we went with the 176 as we already have a shorter ski option.  The century has a lot of early rise in the tip though.  That said, I would go at least 156 based on your situation.  Shops tend to recomend short in my experience, which probably works out more often than not, but...142??

 

I also think weight is more important than height when chosing ski length.  My wife is 5'10'' 130-135.  Her other skis are volkl g3 in a 178 (too big in my opinion) and some atomic kailas is a 163 (88 under foot and traditional camber (about right). 

post #23 of 28
Thread Starter 

The model is K2 True Love which is a 60/40 (groomed/ungroomed)

 

I am 5'9 and wife is 5'10

 

The dim setting on the 149 is set at 8

 

I like the idea of getting the larger on and if it is too big just renting a 149.  That would make even more $ sense!

 

I was reading one of the other post as skier ability chart and would have myself at a 7 or 8 and she is on level 6

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/55762/question-about-skiing-ability-level-systems 

 

No talk of twins as she doesn't do any parks but does like moguls.

 

The k2 misconduct is interesting. I have to find out what the difference is between that and true luv as both are 60/40 and the new rocker type.

 

Unfortunately I have to get to work now!

 

thanks again.

 

mark

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post #25 of 28

Those Rossis are on Tramdock right now for $150...

post #26 of 28
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The dim setting on the 149 is set at 8

 


Really?  I'm  5'9" 165-175 pounds and I'm running on just a tad under 8 on skis in the 180-192 range.  I used to go about 8.5 when I was younger, stronger, and more flexible but 8 sounds a bit high for a female unless she's running gates regularly.

post #27 of 28

Just couple of comments on your daughter's now and likely physique: 1) She's already running between the 50th and 75th height percentiles for her age. If she has had menarche (average in U.S. is 12.5 years), her peak height growth is behind her. Unlikely she'll grow another three inches since a)  her genes for height are an equal random mix of yours (close to median) and her mother's (95th percentile), and b) she's already running ahead of where she should be with a midparent stature of 176.5 cm. More likely she'll gain another inch perhaps. 2) Assuming she's had menarche, she will add a lot of muscle mass (and some fat) over the next few years. Expect she'll gain another 10-15 lbs in the next two years. 

 

All of which is to say that you wouldn't put a grown female intermediate of 5'5" who skis twice a week in a 149; IMO the shortest length your daughter will have a chance of keeping for two years is the 155/156. 

post #28 of 28
Thread Starter 

I plan on taking the skis back today and get a refund.  There is a free demo day coming up mid december and plan on taking her.  This way she can tryout different skis and who knows, she might like something else better.

 

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