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post #1 of 29
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Hey Everyone,

 

     I'm an Industrial Design student at the Savannah College of Art & Design. I'm currently working on a senior project which involves the redesign of a Ski Patrol jacket/vest. I want to redesign the jacket/vest to make it easier for you to do your job. Is there anything that you would want to see incorporated into the jacket or vest that you haven't seen already. Are they too heavy and bulky? Do they not provide you with enough functions such as clip attachments, built in LED lights, or pocket space? Any feed back would be great!! Hope this 2010 Winter is a good and safe one!

                                                                            Ford

 

post #2 of 29

I have always found them to be a little bulky when loaded. 

post #3 of 29

The patrol where I work is going to Patagonia Vests this year, and they look pretty good, but you'd have a hard time beating these for everything but the kitchen sink functionality:

http://www.snowpatrollers.com/home

http://www.snowpatrollers.com/product/0RPSV1

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The patrol where I work is going to Patagonia Vests this year, and they look pretty good, but you'd have a hard time beating these for everything but the kitchen sink functionality:

http://www.snowpatrollers.com/home

http://www.snowpatrollers.com/product/0RPSV1


I have one of those on the way.  I was using a back pack, but got tired of the feeling that I was being pushed out of the chair. 

 

I also have a Cascade Toboggan patrol vest, but don't like trying to use the big pocket on back. 

 

We open this week (if it stops raining), so I hope to see it soon...

post #5 of 29

Personally I like the patrol belt (fanny pack).  Removing the patrol belt at the scene of an accident makes it easier to get to all your medical equipment.  Patrol belt also has many uses for patient care. 

 

patrol_skibelt.jpg

 

Many of us patrollers have a problem with a heavy patrol belt sliding down our buts. It also be great if the patrol belt was attached to your jacket or vest.  It would be faster to gear up inside the patrol shack when a call comes in. 

 

What I would like to see is two loops on each side of patrol jackets and vests (toward the front a tad) that are wide enough for the patrol belts above  to slide through.  On scene it will be important to  be able to remove the patrol belt quickly without taking off your jacket or vest.  To do this you will need to be able to unsnap the loops in the jacket to remove the patrol belt. This snap on the loops will have to be heavy duty.  Strong enough to handle the load of a loaded patrol belt and durable enough for frequent snaps/unsnaps.  Maybe a clip rather than a snap would be best for the loop.  The clip I am thinking about is similar to the clip used on the patrol belts above. 

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The patrol where I work is going to Patagonia Vests this year, and they look pretty good, but you'd have a hard time beating these for everything but the kitchen sink functionality:

http://www.snowpatrollers.com/home

http://www.snowpatrollers.com/product/0RPSV1


I have one of those on the way.  

 

I'm envious.  Post a review when you get a chance.  

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The patrol where I work is going to Patagonia Vests this year, and they look pretty good, but you'd have a hard time beating these for everything but the kitchen sink functionality:

http://www.snowpatrollers.com/home

http://www.snowpatrollers.com/product/0RPSV1


I have one of those on the way.  

 

I'm envious.  Post a review when you get a chance.  


Due in tomorrow!  yahoo.gifFirst shift is tomorrow too - I hope I can get it to the hill and loaded up.  But it's supposed to be raining, so it will be a skating rink I'm afraid...

 

BTW -- they aren't as expensive as they are listed on the site.  Call them up and tell them Chris from MN told you to call! 

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The patrol where I work is going to Patagonia Vests this year, and they look pretty good, but you'd have a hard time beating these for everything but the kitchen sink functionality:

http://www.snowpatrollers.com/home

http://www.snowpatrollers.com/product/0RPSV1


I have one of those on the way.  

 

I'm envious.  Post a review when you get a chance.  

 

Due in tomorrow!  yahoo.gifFirst shift is tomorrow too - I hope I can get it to the hill and loaded up.  But it's supposed to be raining, so it will be a skating rink I'm afraid...

 

BTW -- they aren't as expensive as they are listed on the site.  Call them up and tell them Chris from MN told you to call! 


Cool.  Thanks for the tip, but the ski area buys ours so I'm going to rock whatever they pick.

 

Have a great time on the hill.  Ours won't open until 12/10.  I hate La Niña.  

post #9 of 29
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Personally I like the patrol belt (fanny pack).  Removing the patrol belt at the scene of an accident makes it easier to get to all your medical equipment.  Patrol belt also has many uses for patient care. 

 

patrol_skibelt.jpg

 

Many of us patrollers have a problem with a heavy patrol belt sliding down our buts. It also be great if the patrol belt was attached to your jacket or vest.  It would be faster to gear up inside the patrol shack when a call comes in. 

 

What I would like to see is two loops on each side of patrol jackets and vests (toward the front a tad) that are wide enough for the patrol belts above  to slide through.  On scene it will be important to  be able to remove the patrol belt quickly without taking off your jacket or vest.  To do this you will need to be able to unsnap the loops in the jacket to remove the patrol belt. This snap on the loops will have to be heavy duty.  Strong enough to handle the load of a loaded patrol belt and durable enough for frequent snaps/unsnaps.  Maybe a clip rather than a snap would be best for the loop.  The clip I am thinking about is similar to the clip used on the patrol belts above. 


I find a strips of velco on the pack and parka back work well for keeping the pack from slipping down.
 

post #10 of 29

PLEASE, oh PLEASE create a jacket designed for Women.  We patrol too.  I speak for myself and my female friends on our patrol when I say that we are SO tired of looking like the Michelin Man in bulky patrol coats designed for men.  Our coats need seaming, shaping, and shorter arms.  So imagine that you were designing an attractive ski jacket for Obermyer's womens line.  A ski jacket that is long enough in the rear so we don't freeze our a$$ off.  Now, make it red and slap a couple of crosses on it.  We will buy it.  And we will sing your praises.

post #11 of 29
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PLEASE, oh PLEASE create a jacket designed for Women.  We patrol too.  I speak for myself and my female friends on our patrol when I say that we are SO tired of looking like the Michelin Man in bulky patrol coats designed for men.  Our coats need seaming, shaping, and shorter arms.  So imagine that you were designing an attractive ski jacket for Obermyer's womens line.  A ski jacket that is long enough in the rear so we don't freeze our a$$ off.  Now, make it red and slap a couple of crosses on it.  We will buy it.  And we will sing your praises.



Buy a red women's jacket and slap a couple crosses on it.  Tada!!

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The patrol where I work is going to Patagonia Vests this year, and they look pretty good, but you'd have a hard time beating these for everything but the kitchen sink functionality:

http://www.snowpatrollers.com/home

http://www.snowpatrollers.com/product/0RPSV1


I have one of those on the way.  

 

I'm envious.  Post a review when you get a chance.  

 

Due in tomorrow!  yahoo.gifFirst shift is tomorrow too - I hope I can get it to the hill and loaded up.  But it's supposed to be raining, so it will be a skating rink I'm afraid...

 

BTW -- they aren't as expensive as they are listed on the site.  Call them up and tell them Chris from MN told you to call! 


Cool.  Thanks for the tip, but the ski area buys ours so I'm going to rock whatever they pick.

 

Have a great time on the hill.  Ours won't open until 12/10.  I hate La Niña.  

 

Just a quick report back. 

 

I have NOT been having good luck with the LBEV-2.  Super awesome concept, but poorly executed.  Tonight during a run, I had a pouch unsnap and drop while running the toboggan.  I had two other un-snappings tonight, but luckily, they didn't drop those times. 

 

I've had a couple other QC issues, which the company has and/or is addressing, but this pack in it's current state absolutely will not work for me, and I patrol on a very small midwestern hill.  I can't imagine the issues someone at a major area might be having if they had to carry a load of any size.

 

I've asked them to send me the non-modular model w/fixed pouches, and if they cannot, refund me. 

 

It's an excellent design, but I cannot have equipment dropping off the vest at ANY time.  Totally unacceptable. 

 

EDIT:  Got a call from the owner today.  We're going to give it one more shot.  Hope it works this time!  Like I said, love the idea, but it just has some issues.  Hopefully the modifications will solve it.
 


Edited by axebiker - 1/6/11 at 10:16am
post #13 of 29

This one has some good features. I don't want to wear a radio harness so I like the radio pocket and strap protection zones. http://www.hellyhansen.com/press/winter-09-10/odin-patrol

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The patrol where I work is going to Patagonia Vests this year, and they look pretty good, but you'd have a hard time beating these for everything but the kitchen sink functionality:

http://www.snowpatrollers.com/home

http://www.snowpatrollers.com/product/0RPSV1


I have one of those on the way.  

 

I'm envious.  Post a review when you get a chance.  

 

Due in tomorrow!  yahoo.gifFirst shift is tomorrow too - I hope I can get it to the hill and loaded up.  But it's supposed to be raining, so it will be a skating rink I'm afraid...

 

BTW -- they aren't as expensive as they are listed on the site.  Call them up and tell them Chris from MN told you to call! 


Cool.  Thanks for the tip, but the ski area buys ours so I'm going to rock whatever they pick.

 

Have a great time on the hill.  Ours won't open until 12/10.  I hate La Niña.  

 

Just a quick report back. 

 

I have NOT been having good luck with the LBEV-2.  Super awesome concept, but poorly executed.  Tonight during a run, I had a pouch unsnap and drop while running the toboggan.  I had two other un-snappings tonight, but luckily, they didn't drop those times. 

 

I've had a couple other QC issues, which the company has and/or is addressing, but this pack in it's current state absolutely will not work for me, and I patrol on a very small midwestern hill.  I can't imagine the issues someone at a major area might be having if they had to carry a load of any size.

 

I've asked them to send me the non-modular model w/fixed pouches, and if they cannot, refund me. 

 

It's an excellent design, but I cannot have equipment dropping off the vest at ANY time.  Totally unacceptable. 

 

EDIT:  Got a call from the owner today.  We're going to give it one more shot.  Hope it works this time!  Like I said, love the idea, but it just has some issues.  Hopefully the modifications will solve it.
 


Hm.  For the price they get, you'd think they'd have those kinds of things worked out.  It sure looks good on the web site, but that just goes to show you.  

 

Thanks for the review.  Hope it all gets worked out for you.  

post #15 of 29

Thanks Bob, me too.  I could have almost gotten a couple Patagucci's for what I paid, and the hassle is beginning to wear on me a bit, but if it all works THIS TIME, it'll be awesome. 

 

FWIW, I own the first one he sold.  I guess I'm the beta.

post #16 of 29

Any update on the vest Axe?  Looking into getting one myself since I already have a red jacket and could just rock the black vest on the outside of it.

post #17 of 29

Still waiting on the replacement.  3 weeks now.  But...my season is over as of last Wednesday.  Flat light...  I'll make it easy. 

 

See here:  http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214044

 

I won't know until next year, and since I'll be paying for the probable suregery myself since we're volunteers and not officially "employees" (even though we have shifts, and are considered one in every other way), I'm not positive I'll be back another season.  I'm at a crossroads. 

 

Incidentally, I saw the other one that has been sold - it's also in MN.  Kinda made me laugh. 

post #18 of 29

Aww that's rough. I'm also on a volunteer patrol so I feel your pain. Here's hoping for a speedy recovery. One of our patrollers just got back out again after surgery, which is great to see. Good luck to you.

post #19 of 29



thast tough...

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Still waiting on the replacement.  3 weeks now.  But...my season is over as of last Wednesday.  Flat light...  I'll make it easy. 

 

See here:  http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214044

 

I won't know until next year, and since I'll be paying for the probable suregery myself since we're volunteers and not officially "employees" (even though we have shifts, and are considered one in every other way), I'm not positive I'll be back another season.  I'm at a crossroads. 

 

Incidentally, I saw the other one that has been sold - it's also in MN.  Kinda made me laugh. 

post #20 of 29
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Still waiting on the replacement.  3 weeks now.  But...my season is over as of last Wednesday.  Flat light...  I'll make it easy. 

 

See here:  http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214044

 

I won't know until next year, and since I'll be paying for the probable suregery myself since we're volunteers and not officially "employees" (even though we have shifts, and are considered one in every other way), I'm not positive I'll be back another season.  I'm at a crossroads. 

 

Incidentally, I saw the other one that has been sold - it's also in MN.  Kinda made me laugh. 


Bummed about your injury.  Heal well and strong.

post #21 of 29

Thanks, TC. 

 

MRI results/follow-up appt on Tuesday.  Hoping for the best, expecting the worst.  Hoping for 3-4 more weeks in the boot, but otherwise surgery ASAP, and 12 weeks recovery and then rehab.  Hopefully back in time for next season.  

 

I got the "official" word from the patrol director today - sorry about your injury, but your on your own. 

 

And then they wonder why retention/recruitment is an issue.  If nothing else, I guess I can serve as a warning to other volunteers that (in some cases) it's nothing other than "take, take, take" on the part of ski area management.  Guess I should have realized the level of appreciation when not only do we get to pay for lunch at our refresher, we also get to pay for our "appreciation dinner" at the end of the season - $25 last year.  Nice.  Yeah...a little bitter right now.

post #22 of 29

I'm not sure how most Ski Patrol works, especially those who volunteer, but this seems discouraging.  frown.gif

post #23 of 29
It is. I really love patrolling, but this could be the end of it. Sad too, because they could use people like me who are really devoted to giving their best every time out.
post #24 of 29

Interesting point. I even have to pay to volunteer my time at my local ski club. I never even thought about getting hurt while patrolling.

post #25 of 29

Just a quick injury update:  follow-up to my MRI appt today, and the area they were most concerned about is still intact, although there was some evidence of trauma that did present itself, and I have funky ankle anatomy.  The good news is that surgery is off the table for now.  I stay in the boot for 2 more weeks, and then start PT.  That will go on for about 6-8 weeks.  As long as I don't have issues with the torn tendon and it doesn't jump out of its "home", things should be okay.  That's the good news.

 

I will be concentrating on getting well at this point.  I will concentrate on the rest of this mess down the road, but right now, I'm my own highest priority.  I've made everyone else my priority up until now.  Now it's my turn.  I'll deal with all the other admin shit down the road, and I have a feeling that it will not be an easy one. 

 

VEST UPDATE:  I got my "new & improved" vest a week ago.  Granted, I am not skiing in it, but they made some minor changes to it again based on recommendations that I made.  If I patrol next year, I will have to see if the other issues I had with the vest will end up fading into the past..time will tell.  The bad news -- the price of this vest will jump significantly next season, so if you're interested at all, you may want to grab one sooner than later, and realize that should you have problems, I've never worked with a company who listens more than Swivler.  My only gripe is that their communication is a little thin - if you want to know something, you have to be the person to initiate all contact.  Beyond that, if the incident I had doesn't drive me away from patrolling altogether, I hope that this vest will kick as much ass as I think it should. 

post #26 of 29

 

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Just a quick injury update: ... The good news is that surgery is off the table for now. ...

 

beercheer.gif  Glad to hear that.
 

post #27 of 29

I patrol with the waist belt/pouch. Our coats are made by Avalanche.

The coat: Nice coat but other than the badge and insignia there is nothing that makes it a ski patrol coat. Although other coats are available cost remains the issue. The coat only serves as identity.......and has no applicable function for radio etc

The waist pouch: Completely uncomfortable and annoying but.......seems to be the best for quick access on scene. The factors of annoyance include the bulk on chairlifts, constant need to readjust as it slides down your butt......I'd feel like an orange in a martini glass with a back pack on trying to ski or ride a chair.

 

I would love to see a vest or even a large scale suspender system (like an scott airpack or construction tool belt style) with the pouch clipped into the bottom at the rear and more encompassing at the sides. The always used radio, shears, lights, gloves etc can easily by  front chest accessed. Mostly used bandages etc. ready at the hips.............lesser used items closer to the rear.

 

I believe the military have a system like I'm trying to describe.............so it might be like reinventing the wheel.........w/e's I think it would be favorable to sytem we use!!

 

Des

CSPS

Ontario

post #28 of 29

Late reply to Des.

What about Conterra's Tool Chest Radio Chest Harness?

http://www.conterra-inc.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=10

Looks like it would hold a lot of first aid supplies and tools.

 

Joe

post #29 of 29

Features I like in a PARKA

 

A hood with a snorkle (not a diver's snorkle,  A winter parka snorkle!)  When it's cold it's windy!  Frost nip on the cheeks is uncool.  (And I dislike the bandit masks)

A hood that slides over a helmet with one hand and STAYS UP!

Draw strings at the hood and waist with BIG stays that can be manipulated with gloves on.

Functional inside chest pockets. (large)  droopy mesh pockets are "almost OK".  Get the droop out.

 

Pockets in the forearm sleeve for BSI materials.

 

The worlds best zippers, draw strings, buckles and velcro closures.    Broken stuff is not OK

 

Good ventilation options.

 

Powder skirt

 

A radio mic system that allows easy parka off/ parka on.  There are times when we are in a hurry.

 

A special Pad on the front to hold the pin on name plate.  Not those silly plastic window frames,  But something that re-enforces the pin location.

 

Some features I like anyway.  Some of the issue parkas have has some of these, but none have had them all.

 

Oh  Did I mention WATER PROOF! for rainy days.

 

And I like my fanny pack,  not a vest guy  though I would wear one under the parka

 

Cheers

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