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post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 

Looking to treat myself to some LEKI poles with the little overmit and release mechanism. Thought about going all out and getting the adjustable pole but the LEKI site does not offer much product information (lots of advertising and testimonials) . Anyone with experience on the Vario S compared to the Vario S Speedlock? Are both adjustable? There is a big price difference. What is the performance difference?

post #2 of 22

Very nice poles but beware of the replacement costs for parts. This is one thing to consider when deciding to invest in the Leki trigger system.

 

I lost one of the nylon straps last season and it costs $50 for a replacement(a piece of nylon).  If you are the kind of person that never loses things, the cost/benefit ratio of Leki ownership is good. If you misplace a glove or lose one of the straps, you will be forking over $50, as the system is now held hostage and leki wants the ransom. If you lose a strap on vacation, expect to get popped for even more at the resort. Some customers here have reported $60-$70 for the nylon strap at the hill.   

 

post #3 of 22

That's not been my experience. When I ripped one out, I called Leki and they sent me a pair for free the next day. They've also been more than fair about warranty. replaced a 10 year old ski pole that was snapped by someone crashing into me (2 year warranty). I told them the why and the how and was looking to buy get a replacement lower bonded in or whatever.

 

I don't see the Vario S or Vario S Speedlock on the website, so I can't say what the difference is. Could the price difference be because you are seeing them in two different stores or something? It looks like Vario means adjustable, I'd have to guess Speedlock has a flip locker instead of twisting.

post #4 of 22

They don't give freebies for lost gear, however. Not that I expected a free hand-out for my own error but I was expecting something reasonable like other pole brands charge for straps-$2.99. I already had a long post about this on the forum. Lost straps are not covered under warranty. They want $50. 

 

It is something to consider, IMO. Some may not think it's a big deal but replacement costs are a factor. The poles are pricey to begin with, but in the event the piece of velcro gets misplaced, it's another $50 -- $60-$70 if you lose one while at a resort.

 

post #5 of 22
Thread Starter 

I know that Speedlock is the flip locker but what's the difference - which is better?

post #6 of 22

If you're gonna be adjusting your poles all the time - speedlock. I have the regular vario and I have no complaints.

post #7 of 22

MojoMan you describe this as a $50 loop of plastic, but it is two multi-part sturdy velcro enabled things that go over and around a glove to create a solid connection to the glove with this loop of plastic.  $50 is a lot for it, but so is the cost of your gloves.  Did you try to get the lost glove replaced by the manufacturer, do you think they'd do it?   The loop alone with velocro pieces are much less as you pointed out in the other thread, but not as solid a connection to your hand as the more expensive option.

 

I too have had great experiences with Leki customer service and love the strap/pole systems they make.  

post #8 of 22

I agree with Epic.  If you're going to change lengths quite often then go with the speedlock.  I have both and prefer the normal "twist to set" vario.  The only times I change the length are when I'm skiing moguls all day and I want a shorter pole.

post #9 of 22



 

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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post

MojoMan you describe this as a $50 loop of plastic, but it is two multi-part sturdy velcro enabled things that go over and around a glove to create a solid connection to the glove with this loop of plastic.  $50 is a lot for it, but so is the cost of your gloves.  Did you try to get the lost glove replaced by the manufacturer, do you think they'd do it?   The loop alone with velocro pieces are much less as you pointed out in the other thread, but not as solid a connection to your hand as the more expensive option.

 

I too have had great experiences with Leki customer service and love the strap/pole systems they make.  



I already stated I didn't expect a freebie. I lost the glove with the strap attached. But $50? . Oh, come on.  Replacement straps for Goode costs $2.99.  So Leki adds a loop and another string of nylon to go around the wrist.. OK.Add another $1.99 for materials. $50? . That's just rolling the customer. Sorry. There's just no other way to put it. read other posts here about skiers being charged $60-$70 if they are at a resort and lose a strap.

 

Anyways, back to the original post--I was just giving my two cents. Leki does make a good product. I am not denying that. But replacement costs for parts is something to consider before investing and that's why I brought the issue up..When you get the trigger system, you are buying into the Leki system, not just a set of poles. If you do lose something you will get rolled. I think that, in general, we skiers are so used to the high prices of things related to skiing that we overlook things like this when considering options.  Might as well just take a $50 bill and burn it. Or, do what I did and take the $50 and buy last year's high end poles from Scott, Goode, or Swix and not have to worry about such things in the future.

post #10 of 22

You can buy a really good pair of Leki gloves (trigger enabled) for less than $50 at various online discounters.

Much more elegant solution than the over glove velcro strap contraption. 

post #11 of 22

You can also get a beat up pair of leki S-trigger poles at ski swaps etc. for << $50. Bingo. Two spare straps for less than the price of one.

post #12 of 22

I've skied for a season with the Peak Vario S.  I bought them because I had no idea what length would be right for me in various contexts.  I like the poles.  I like the Trigger S connection system.  I did once lose one of the straps, but luckily it was found easily by retracing my steps.  Keep in mind that the poles are usable without straps.  And, someone halfway decent with webbing and a Speedy Stitcher could make a simple strap for cheap.

 

The regular Vario mechanism isn't that fast to adjust.  Generally, I find it difficult to loosen up.  Perhaps that's because I tighten it pretty well.  I've never had it slip on me, though.

 

The Promotive discount on Leki was so attractive that I decided to buy the Peak Vario S SpeedLock this year.  I figured it would be affordable insurance against losing a strap or breaking a pole for me or my wife.  I'll report on the SpeedLock when I get to use it.  I anticipate not noticing a difference during actual skiing.  From what I saw at Promotive, the retail price for SpeedLock is the same as I paid for the regular Vario, and the non-SpeedLock is no longer available.

post #13 of 22

 

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Originally Posted by Squawker View Post

You can also get a beat up pair of leki S-trigger poles at ski swaps etc. for << $50. Bingo. Two spare straps for less than the price of one.


 

Those are certainly more equitable options for misplaced parts.

 

I just decided that the hassle and price of having to deal with lost gear is not worth the convenience of having removable straps. I was using the same Scott ALU poles for six seasons and decided to splurge on composites and went with Leki for the convenience factor.  It was indeed convenient--until I lost the strap, at which point the system became useless. 

 

I got hooked on the light weight of the composites but decided to go with Goode. As far as performance, to me, a pole is a pole.  The Leki's are light, but nothing lighter than other poles available on the market and nothing that made any difference in the skiing experience, except for the poles feeling lighter in the hand at the end of the day. It's the strap system that caught my eye.

 

I sold the Leki's at the swap this month for $30. I already purchased last years' Goode carbons for $40 at closeout. Same weight, less hassles, and much less expensive. I decided that, for me, expensive poles are not worth it and are overkill. It's a pole, not a ski. If changing poles is going to make me ski better or worse, I have not been doing something right in the first place. I learned my lesson. Then again, I am an admitted cheapskate.

post #14 of 22

Lot's of stuff is too expensive MM, why pick on Leki?   Smartwool long johns are $70 (I get them for less being in PSIA) but they are fantastic, same with their shirts and socks.  Too expensive, but great stuff.

 

Lots of examples are everywhere we look.  Just annoying when someone goes on a public vendetta against a company just because they didn't like their pricing structure.

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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post

Lot's of stuff is too expensive MM, why pick on Leki?   Smartwool long johns are $70 (I get them for less being in PSIA) but they are fantastic, same with their shirts and socks.  Too expensive, but great stuff.

 

Lots of examples are everywhere we look.  Just annoying when someone goes on a public vendetta against a company just because they didn't like their pricing structure.


Well, I don't mean to create any ill-will. I am not telling anyone not to buy Leki. I have already stated they do indeed make a nice product. It's just my humble opinion that it's an extremely over-priced one and, as a consumer, you will be bent over the rail if you happen to lose a part while on a trip. 

 

I have also railed on a few other manufactures for having absurdly ridiculous prices. As I stated in an earlier thread, absurd cost is one of the reasons many people do not take up skiing.  The industry charging $50-$70 for a piece of nylon is just one of the symptoms of a disease that is eating away at the vitality of a sport that is struggling hard to appeal to a new generation and remain above water.  

 

As far as buying Leki, It's not my money and it is not my place to tell anyone how to spend theirs. I am just giving my opinion. IMO, replacement hassles and costs are indeed one thing to consider for a prospective customer prior to making the decision to invest into a system like this. Some may not think it is an issue. Others might. Different strokes for different folks.

 

I would rather hear all the good and bad opinions surrounding a product instead of just the glowing reviews and praises. Most of the gear reviews here are along the lines of,  'these are the best things ever made,..wow, great..etc '. That's not  a bad thing, but I wish I could hear the negatives, as well.

 

Is the cost of Leki ownership worth it? Is the price to performance ration really worth it in the long run? I can't answer that for anyone. Everyone will have their own anwers and opinions. I am just offering one opinion for those who, like myself, might like to know all the opinions--both good and bad-- ahead of time. 

post #16 of 22

http://www.reliableracing.com/detail.cfm?edp=10929768

 

stock up!

 

I have two pairs.  Just cuz.  (hey I am a blond!)

 

meanwhile ... this is skiing.  it's not cheap!

 

remember the old ski joke email that said:

 

To get ready for ski season ...

 

 

16. Visit your local butcher and pay $30 to sit in the walk-in freezer for a half an hour. Afterwards, burn two $50 dollar bills to warm up.
 
12. Throw away a hundred dollar bill - NOW.
post #17 of 22

These are the "piece of nylon" version that he's talking about the "Trigger S"  $40 http://www.reliableracing.com/detail.cfm?edp=11101169

 

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post #18 of 22

Reliable Racing Wacky Wednesday Special - Free Shipping.  Use code 19830.  Now they're even cheaper. 

post #19 of 22

powder7.com has Leki Peak Vario S Trigger Adjustable Carbon Ski Poles on sale for the next 45 minutes for $59.90. Seems like a pretty good deal.

 

http://www.powder7.com/sale-skis/power-hour

post #20 of 22

Damn - missed it.  That would have been sweet.  Thanks for the PSA nonetheless.

post #21 of 22

They're up again for the next 30+ minutes...

 

http://www.powder7.com/sale-skis/power-hour

post #22 of 22

Just grabbed a pair!  Thanks for the heads up.

 

Mike
 

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They're up again for the next 30+ minutes...

 

http://www.powder7.com/sale-skis/power-hour

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