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post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 

I'm going to need a minimum 180cm GS ski as a requirement for a junior ski coaching course. Because I'm small and light I'm trying to decide between a non-FIS men's or a FIS women's. What difference would I feel between something like

 

 

 
and something like
 
 
Or between
 
 
and
 
 
Also I've been told the Volkl Racetiger GS World Cup ( http://www.volkl.com/ski/ski_rt_gs_stock.php ) is possibly the softest of the FIS legal women's GS skis, so might suit me best?
 
Thanks in advance!
post #2 of 15
Thread Starter 

Can no one help?

post #3 of 15

I didn't have a chance to ski a two different radius GS skis, but few seasons ago I went from Fischer RC4 WC  RC - 15m/ Cheater GS skis/ to WC FIS SL skis with radius 13m... To me the difference was huge.. I could totally feel the difference. I also have  WC FIS GS  skis R> 27m... Compared to all the other that I owned they feel like speed skis/ even though they are only GS/... In other words 4-5M difference in radius  between skis would feel  huge to you too..

IMO it would be up to you; the tightness of the course and price difference between all different makes and models of the  above skis you mentioned....

 

Personally I would go with the D2 GS women, regardless.. that they have a bit longer radius for your needs... D2 GS and SL rock...

post #4 of 15

I have not skied with any of the skis you are refering to but I would deffinetly buy a race stock sandwich ski with a good racing plate. If you can find an old stock r21m ski about 182 long it would be good. Get a used and softened pair for 100 bucks soemwhere. Note that the older skis were more narrow. The new ones are wider. Im on 182 r24m FIS skis and they are not as turny as my older 187 r21m. But Im booting out on my older ones really easy. Im a big guy with a wide boot.

post #5 of 15

How about a Nordica GSR 181 cm r21?  They aren't quite as stiff as typical GS skis are.  I was 5' 5" and about 110 pounds in high school so I know where you're coming from.  I found the softer and lighter K2 FO and wood core "12s"  series worked well for me. 

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  I found the softer and lighter K2 FO and wood core "12s"  series worked well for me. 


I suspect slikedges may not have had many K2 references as you did.

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I suspect slikedges may not have had many K2 references as you did.



is why I recommended the Dobermans

post #8 of 15

Do you have a race shop near you? I'd ask them or contact Sierra Jim or Philpug. Unless you're going to be racing in addition to coaching I'd buy cheap or borrow a pair.

If you don't have to worry about FIS compliance you might also look at Citizen racers as well. They tend to be a bit lighter, softer and a bit more versatile as well.

FIS skis are very focused.  As Andy4g63 implied a FIS compliant GS ski will feel pretty big and heavy, especially if you've never skied on one before.

One other thing, make sure you have boots stiff enough to work whatever skis you get.

 

According to my ICRs the current FIS GS radius/length minimums are 27m at 185cm (-5cm ENL & MAS) for the men, and 23m at 180cm (-5cm ENL & MAS) for the women.

You might be able to find some older 21m FIS skis from before the regs changed.


Edited by JimiB - 11/7/10 at 9:39pm
post #9 of 15

One thing to consider with race skis, especially if you are buying used ones. Edges on race stock skis are much thiner then on non-race skis (store "race" skis included). Considering racers tune them much more often then normal skiers do, you can count 2+2, so you know what you need to check, if you will be buying used skis wink.gif

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One thing to consider with race skis, especially if you are buying used ones. Edges on race stock skis are much thiner then on non-race skis (store "race" skis included). Considering racers tune them much more often then normal skiers do, you can count 2+2, so you know what you need to check, if you will be buying used skis wink.gif

 

Quoted for truth.

 

Amazing how many race skis are advertised as having plenty of edge left and turn out to be around 0.5mm in places. Check the area from the rear of the binding towards the tail - that's where most metal tends to disappear. And while you could get through a season with 0.5mm of edge if you're careful (diamond stones only - no files), if you bang that spot on a rock the whole edge will buckle and bulk up the ptex.


 

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Quoted for truth.

 

Amazing how many race skis are advertised as having plenty of edge left and turn out to be around 0.5mm in places. Check the area from the rear of the binding towards the tail - that's where most metal tends to disappear. And while you could get through a season with 0.5mm of edge if you're careful (diamond stones only - no files), if you bang that spot on a rock the whole edge will buckle and bulk up the ptex.


 



One thing to be particulary carful with is that racers use a tool for planing out the side wall of the ski. This way it can feel as if there is edge left but if you turn the ski arround and look at the base you can see that there is less than half a millimeter of edge left. But many racers ski on well prepared slopes and racing courses with no stones. The bases are often in perfect condition. Sometimes a 0,5mm edge is all you need. And considering the price difference that can be quite a lot, lets say 500-700 bucks then its a no brainer. Get a pari of used ones that are in good shape. Ski with them and then throw them in the trash.

post #12 of 15
Thread Starter 

Wow, thanks guys ('n gals?)! Haven't looked in for a few days and am v.grateful for your responses.

 

I don't think there is a Nordica GSR 181cm 21m at present? The current Nordica GS R WC is 183m 23m. I skied this season's Nordica GS Pro 181cm 19m a couple of weeks ago on the Hintertux glacier and found it quite nice to ski about on, but probably a bit on the soft side. Maybe I can find a used pair of 181cm 21m FIS somewhere.

 

Thanks for the pitfalls about used skis - I'll bear them in mind. On the used front, I was offered a pair of 2007 Salomon 2V LAB 181 21m but am not convinced of their condition from the photos and they're probably too far for me to go and inspect.

 

I must say I'm quite keen on keeping the skis after the course, to jump into gates on every now and then, and to hoon about on early and late season when the slopes are quieter. Meanwhile, the search goes on...

post #13 of 15
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I must say I'm quite keen on keeping the skis after the course, to jump into gates on every now and then, and to hoon about on early and late season when the slopes are quieter. Meanwhile, the search goes on...


If you are going to use them for more than just the clinic look around for some "new" last years model skis. You'll know what you're getting.

My cousin is raving about her Elan GSX FIS that she uses as an everyday ski since she only skis groomers. And very fast I might add.  
 

post #14 of 15

I'd just like to note that the Volkl WC womens ski IS NOT the softest GS ski. Volkl makes two different types of race skis, racestock, and WC stock. The race stock versions aren't as stiff, but the WC version on the other hand is pretty stiff.

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Originally Posted by slikedges View Post

I'm going to need a minimum 180cm GS ski as a requirement for a junior ski coaching course. Because I'm small and light I'm trying to decide between a non-FIS men's or a FIS women's. What difference would I feel between something like

 

 

 
and something like
 
 
Or between
 
 
and
 
 
Also I've been told the Volkl Racetiger GS World Cup ( http://www.volkl.com/ski/ski_rt_gs_stock.php ) is possibly the softest of the FIS legal women's GS skis, so might suit me best?
 
Thanks in advance!



The Salomon is quite similar to the Atomic D2 Race GS (non FIS compliant). A major difference is the binding used. Salomon uses their Smarttrax, which are a good safe binding and used on the Atomic Nomad skis as well, and the Atomic uses a Neox. I prefer the Neox over the Smarttrax. If you are smaller in stature, the 185 is a long length. I have used the 179 Atomic and it handled all but Ludicrous Speed.

 

The women's Atomic Race D2 GS 184 is still a lot of ski, but quite uni-functional. It is paired with the new X Race bindings. The 24m will require some open terrain to get the full effect of the carved turn it is capable of.

 

Of the two AMER branded models you listed, I'd point to the more recreational version. The availability of the Atomic might be more prevalent D2 Race GS, with a better IMO binding.

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