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post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 

To make a long story short, last year was my first skiing since 1991.  (read...the whole shape ski thing was entirely new to me)  Got about 35 days in and love it just as much as way back when.  Our little local ski area in north-central Washington is a fun little hill but has only one lift and somewhat limited terrain.  So, the most challenging thing available are cruddy bumps.  Our snow is typically not to heavy and not too light and seldom very deep, say 4" to 9".  The bumps are typically covered with chop. 

 

I'm 43, about 5'11" 210lb with very strong legs.  Now that there is a rating system I'd say that I'm a level 7-8 and pretty aggressive.  I tend to crush skis, or said another way, I've never had a problem with stiff skis.  My current groomer cruisers are Race stock RC4 GS in 193.  I find these to be real easy going, smooth cruisers. 

 

  At present I have some Karma 177's (nice skis but a little slow edge to edge and not very lively) and Titan Cronus 183's (Don't like these as much as the binding system is either a little too far forward or back, and not terribly stable).  I used to have a pair of Racetiger SL 165's (gave them to my brother-in -law) that were great in the bumps when they got hard but the crud pushed them around too much.

 

So, not being well educated in current skis I would like to hear oppinions on what would be appropriate skis for the cruddy bumps.  Should I be looking in the 78mm to 84mm range?  How long?  Inquiring minds want to know.

 

Tom 

post #2 of 11
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Anybody???

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Hi LT - I'm sort of the anti-you; 160 lbs and a finesse skier. But have been on a lot of different very un-finesse skis, would suggest the following: You want twins. Bridges are fairly solid, kind of like built up Karmas, can handle most everything including crud and bumps. Another possibility are the Stockli Rotor 84's, very beefy, better carver and quicker than the Bridges, not quite as adept at powder or soft snow. Head Mojo 90's are a slightly beefier twin version of the Cronus, you can still find them at wholesale places. Line Prophet 90's are the most versatile of all these for bigger guys, not especially quick but almost as grippy as the Rotors, interesting alternative to the Bridges. Finally, the 4FNT MSP is a nice solid ski, dual radius so quick to initiate but the beef to hold up at speed. Not as grippy as some of the others, but better than most at speed in chop and crud, nice in bumps.

 

If you do a search, lot on all these. Good luck.  

post #4 of 11

I thought the Karma was one of the better bump skis from that vintage. If you don't like how your skis feel or are not comfortable on them that's on thing. And mid 80s skis are much more versatile and diverse today than they were 4-5 years ago. But nothing out there is going to be much better in bumps than what you already have. You cannot buy a turn in bumps. If bumps are the priority, money would be better spent on coaching.


Edited by tromano - 11/11/10 at 7:15pm
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^^^^ Yeah, I hear you Tromano, but notice he likes SL skis in bumps too, so he might be decent already. I suspect that if I liked Karmas (owned them at 177 cm, just like him), some of what he doesn't like is actually the ski folding up a bit under pressure or impact. Karmas were known for their liveliness and pop, actually. But OP is 50 lbs heavier than me!

 

So I'm thinking twins that will iron down the crud but still hold up to his size, and be able to pivot nicely. Width helps there to keep the length down. Would help if he stated whether said bumps are mogul fields (which would like narrower) or among trees (which would like wider). Something in the 85-95 range splits the difference.

post #6 of 11

Gotta diverge a bit on this one. A true twin is not necessary just something with a good tail kick. Most of the AM skis in the 85mm range have enough tail kick to be reasonably slithery in bumps. Also, most of the AM skis in this range will have enough grip for harder snow and enough spine for the wetter/heavier crud.

 

Twins are fine for the stated purpose but IMO, something like the Sultan 85 (among many others) would cover more conditions.

 

SJ

post #7 of 11

 

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Originally Posted by Lordthomas View Post

 

... Titan Cronus 183's (Don't like these as much as the binding system is either a little too far forward or back, and not terribly stable). ...

 

I was thinking that the IQ binding system was one of the things I liked BEST about my Blizzards (not the Cronus, though). VERY solid. Admittedly, you've got 75 pounds on me. Even so, it seems to me like I can feel the difference that system makes, and it's all a good difference. Completely unscientific, of course, since, there's no way to try one of these skis with and then without the system.

post #8 of 11
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^^^^ Yeah, I hear you Tromano, but notice he likes SL skis in bumps too, so he might be decent already. I suspect that if I liked Karmas (owned them at 177 cm, just like him), some of what he doesn't like is actually the ski folding up a bit under pressure or impact. Karmas were known for their liveliness and pop, actually. But OP is 50 lbs heavier than me!

 

So I'm thinking twins that will iron down the crud but still hold up to his size, and be able to pivot nicely. Width helps there to keep the length down. Would help if he stated whether said bumps are mogul fields (which would like narrower) or among trees (which would like wider). Something in the 85-95 range splits the difference.

 

Yea I noticed that. If he wants something better than the SLs in crud but still with a similar feel in bumps e.g. much more carvy than a karma or cronous... someone is selling contact 4x4s 172 for like $350.

 

Also, I agree with the Sultan 85 as a real versatile replacement for both the karma and / or cronous and skis darn well in bumps. But it does ski short and is not super burly so it might not be his cupa tea.

 

I think that if you want to find a ski with a particular feel, its hard to get that from reviews. Demos would be much easier to see if you like /Ski X better than what you have.

post #9 of 11

4x4's; shoulda thought of that. Super all around for a carving style in bumps, just about anything else. (Well, except trees and real pow.) If I were OP's weight, I'd own a pair for sure. And SJ's right that any flip tail will work, and be more versatile other places, but cannot agree that they'll work as well as twins in bumps. Which is the OP's question. 

post #10 of 11
Thread Starter 

Much thanks for the responses.  Our bump runs are typically narrow (100-150') wide and extend the whole length of the run (about 1,200' vertical).  Back in the old days I was a pretty decent bump skiier but now it's the only part I'm having any trouble with.  Versatility is not really a concern for this pair.  I'm looking for a dedicated ski to cover these particular runs.  We're fortunate in that we can ski right to the truck, change skiis, and keep on going right back to the lift!  Takes about 3 minutes.  

 

I was thinking about a Sultan 85, Burner/Afterburner or possibly JetFuel, Watea 84, Magfire 14, AC30 or 40....or something like that around a 170cm.  Kinda like a burly SL ski.  I realize this is quite a range from soft to rigid but am I going way off base here never having skied any of these?

 

And yes, I agree with Tromano.  I need, and will get coaching this year.  I'm reluctantly coming to realize I can't quite zipper line it like 20 years ago.


Edited by Lordthomas - 11/13/10 at 6:44am
post #11 of 11

Since you don't care about versatility, the Watea 84 and the Nordica Burner are the better bump skis out of that batch you listed b/c they don't have metal. The Sultan is next but it's versatile for other things too and so that's probably out. I'd forget the rest of your list.

 

SJ

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