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post #1 of 9
Thread Starter 

Gang, long time no see.  I was wondering if you could take a look at some video I made for some athletes I work with.


These are short analysis vids with slo mo and voice over coaching.  I am hoping to market something like this to my clients.


Any thoughts?  Marketability?  Price Point?  Be kind on music choices.  Royalty free.


ANY feedback appreciated.


Adult League Women Training






HS SL Racer

post #2 of 9

#1.When you offer a side by side comparison try a split screen simultaneous edit. That would allow you to articulate the stance differences a bit easier.

#2. You nailed it on his great line but I would maybe point out that it's a function of his understanding of where to start his turns. As far as his natural reliance on his right foot, well he's only six so I'm not sure he could correct that until he develops more proprioceptic awareness. Maybe it would be worth mentioning what work arounds he uses during that weaker right turn?

#3. Spot on about attacking more. He seems a bit defensive, (not really seeking speed).


 All in all though some pretty good work.

post #3 of 9
Thread Starter 

Good stuff.  Thanks re split screen. Good call.   Basic editor does not allow that option though upgrading to Adobe Premier Elements soon.  Good coaching input. Go   Do you think this is a marketable program?  What demographic?  Boarder?  Racer?  Rec? 

post #4 of 9



You can get split screen for free using the V1 Home version.

post #5 of 9

Few Points:


Why Slo-Mo a whole run?  What are you trying to show with that?  Seems strange. 


Instead I would:


Show run at normal speed. 

Pick 1 thing to fix...show the issue in 1 slow mo segment, likely no more then a gate, unless it is a "line issue" then 3 gates is likley needed

Dont only tell that what to do...tell them how.  Currently you just say "what".

Also likley good to do the same thing, with 1 slo mo segment showing some postive stuff as well...again say "why it is good"

Show run again at normal speed so the athelete can hopefully see what you saw from the slo mo at speed now.



The 6yo old.

I am fundamentally against documenting by way of video or writing anything negative for kids of this age.  It is just fodder for pushy parents, and the kids will just hear you voice over and over.  For kids, just shoot the video, overlay some cool music, and encourage..."going for it here", " nice tuck there", "agressive here"...."having fun there, whoo hoo"...that kind of thing.


Price point:  Not much, too many people willing to stand on the hill and shoot video for free.  So go for videos for free beers etc.  You wont get much else.

post #6 of 9

Pat, finally someone that has video ambitions. Thats great. The V1 will give you a split screen option and voice over and so forth so that is probably the best software for coaching but I have been using the Sony Vegas software for quite some time and it has worked great for me. My Platinum version does not give me a split screen but I it gives me overlays. Two skiers at 50%. If the camera is set up at a couple of gates with a 3 pod you will be able to make a direct comparisson of where exact hips, knees, arms, shoulder etc are located in reference to each other.


Your videos:

Your videos are very good. Excellent filming and very good editing. A good package. Howver, good advice here above by others. Do not give any negative feedback to a kid. In fact, dont talk technique at all. Just over enthusiastic phraising. Slowmos are a bit long in some places. Direct comparisson side by side would make it more interesting.


The business aspect:

I dont think you can make any bucks on it because it takes time to film, download, edit, render and upload. However, I was thinking of going to jr races and film the first run and go into the cafeteria and set up a table with the computer and have some video coaching action going on. I would make a fast and slowmo edit of kids that want to see their run. As a bonus I would include a video on video overlay of the kid compared to the fastes first run. I would charge 20euros for such a clip. It will be posted on vimeo or youtube. For the second run I would do the same. Both runs 30euros. Lets say there are 100 kids racing and 10 wants to buy. That would mean 300e. Not bad for a sunday. But lets say 30 would buy! Now we are talking major work but a close to a grand would not be bad. I would then trawel through all the races, lets say 10 and earn 9000e. And dont forget that the races are on both sunday and saturday. Now we are talking 18000e. I bet my wife would not object to me going to the slope ever again . And all the sport clubs would want me to come to their training during the week. I would charge lets say 200e pluss expenses for a couple of hours of video filming and editing.


Lets be serious. Filming on video is very very important because its the only way the skier will be able to see himself and if he does what he think he does. Sofar I have only seen ver very bad filming. And absolutely no editing worth a dime (yours being an exception offcourse). Or slowmo or anything. Lots of good work to be done here. You need to be creative. Outgoing and good at marketing yourself.

post #7 of 9

Nice video work. Watching I felt like the voice info did little to effect a change in the skier. It was descriptive of what was going on but no prescription of how to fix the weakness or improve what they were doing well. Give them a nuggett of something to improve and a nuggett of something they can be proud of.

post #8 of 9
Thread Starter 

Great points. 


In principal I agree with the find something positive technique, but I find the skiers interested in this type of vid are adv / int skiers who are comfortable with their skiing but want to see (and hear about) technical flaws more.  Little kids parents who pay to see their racing video are going to want to see and hear technical coaching observations.  Good idea though. It would be simple to add a list of goods and bads and drills to address.  You could also add all kinds of stop animation  / diagramming blah blah but the goal was too keep editing simple in format and easily edited.


I would also offer the option of a CD (or other media) with original AVI files  as well as edited breakdown of film.


Any other elements you pros might suggest? smile.gif

post #9 of 9

Hi Pat, 


I've been planning all summer to do similar video footage once I start getting more intermediate (rather than beginner) learners. You're providing a real value-add here. 


I really like:

  • Music. Yes, it's cheesy--but it's upbeat and more entertaining for a learner than dead air.
  • The video itself. Particularly I find your footage shot from below to be effective. Shooting from above makes it hard (for me) to assess the learner's fore/aft balance. And since we're used to seeing ourselves mirrored rather than from the back, situationally the feedback may be easier to process. On the other hand, you're able to get a lot closer when filming from behind... I suppose it's situational.
  • Seeing an entire run. When I was an intermediate, nothing chafed me more than instructors who evaluated my first and last turns. A more wholistic picture really helps, especially for more casual skiers. At performance levels, commenting on the beginning and end is also ok--but the wholistic message is most important for a lot of your learners. 
  • The fact that you're providing feedback. 



  • More specific feedback in terms of "how" to fix, as other posters have mentioned. Any drills mentioned should be familiar to the learner already, or have the participant remind you to cover this drill next time (a good selling technique perhaps!). 
  • Freeze frames would be helpful too in highlighting where you see issues. 
  • Split screen as previously mentioned. 


Other thoughts: 

  • I've seen too much verbal abuse of children by their parents over sports, and I'm sure you don't want to play into this. On the other hand, I know you want to provide some value-added tips. How about sandwiching the feedback (positive, opportunity, positive again) and providing a central theme for the child to continue working at the end of the video? E.g. "Good improvements over last week in terms of <such-and-such>. Let's keep working on the <such-and-such issue> by doing more <activity>. We're definitely seeing gains here in <skill>."
  • You may be able to sell this to destination skiers, but I otherwise don't know too many people who would pay for a one minute clip. However, the videos can be a value-add service to encourage clients to come back for privates. Or you could include a "thanks, and always remember to tip" message at the end of your video... wink.gif (honestly, I think it's acceptable and far less tacky to include a "if you liked this lesson, you can book privates on request though xyz" message). 


Good luck! 

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