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post #91 of 104

Tomba sure could ski a direct line. I wonder if there is any footage of him on today's skis. I've seen some of the Marhes but not Tomba. 

post #92 of 104
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Here is Tomba in 2002:

 

post #93 of 104

Tomba on plastic - rare footage indeed!

post #94 of 104
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I know that Stenmark and other x.champs gave a ski show at the Åre WC a few years ago. I wonder if any of that is to be found somewhere on video. Mayby Jamt could help us.....

post #95 of 104
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I know that Stenmark and other x.champs gave a ski show at the Åre WC a few years ago. I wonder if any of that is to be found somewhere on video. Mayby Jamt could help us.....



It was the during the World Championship in Åre 2007. I was there, but I have not seen any video. One funny thing is that this event attracted a larger audience than all other events.

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It was the during the World Championship in Åre 2007. I was there, but I have not seen any video. One funny thing is that this event attracted a larger audience than all other events.


I was not there but a couple of friends. They told me the guys skied fantastic, So who was there? Stenmark, Klammer, Toma, Thöni, Strand, Gross???
 

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I was not there but a couple of friends. They told me the guys skied fantastic, So who was there? Stenmark, Klammer, Toma, Thöni, Strand, Gross???
 


I don't remember all of them, two teams with 8 participants each. One nordic and one international. Gross, Klammer, Strand, Zurbriggen, zykora, wenzel, furuset... and the team leaders stenmark and Krizaj.

 

Funny, before the event Klammer got a question about the difficulty in slalom, since he was a downhill specialist. He said, no problem, the modern skis are so good that even I can ski on those.
 

post #98 of 104
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Jamt, LOL, that should tell us something about modern vs old skis. Ive read somewhere that Klammer is head of ski testing in Austria. So he should know what he is talking about. And I also think the new skis diverge from each other more than they used to. Before all skis looked and skied the same. It was Salomon that stirred the pack in the beginning of 90s and from there on everything changed.

post #99 of 104

The head site has a link to that testing site.

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As far as short carvers I would agree that the skis make it easier to engage the ski. Keeping the ski carving still requires the ability to balance on the skis so they can do their job. If anything the shorter length makes fore / aft balance even more important. The shorter tail doesn'r give us much to lever against and makes it even harder to tail carve (opening radius carves). Maybe that's why Miller uses a bit longer ski, he wants a little more tail.

post #101 of 104
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Some great slowmo footage of carving, stivoting, etc: http://www.vimeo.com/14430888



Nov 2, 2010

 

Hi MB:

 

Thanks a million.  As the saying goes:  A video is worth a Million words.   This video portrays such a good image of "stivoting", that it has finally gotten through my thick noggin.  I spent much time reading through the "search" results on this site on "stivot" and ended up with but a vague idea what people were talking about.  This video demonstrates the concept crystal clear..   Now this is communication!

 

Think snow,

 

CP

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Jamt, LOL, that should tell us something about modern vs old skis. Ive read somewhere that Klammer is head of ski testing in Austria. So he should know what he is talking about. And I also think the new skis diverge from each other more than they used to. Before all skis looked and skied the same. It was Salomon that stirred the pack in the beginning of 90s and from there on everything changed.


Much credit must also go to Elan and Kneissl. Interesting history piece: http://www.skiinghistory.org/sidecut.html

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there are much higher levels of skidding and dynamics in auto racing. Even F1 cars drifts and rotate alittle bit in some turns to go faster.

 

Expert skier hell pro skier

 

 

not expert skier

 

 

basically learning to drift and not carve all the time saves you from crashing in the car world, same can be said in the ski world. You be well versed in all types of turns and how to combine them.

 

Also from product design stand point, if you made a car that acted like an on and off switch when it comes to turning it would be undrivable at the limit, there need to be small amount of understeer or oversteer dialed into a car or becomes very hard to drive fast. With skis, if a ski can only 'arc" by my definition it will be pretty much the most useless ski ever, ala SCX.

 


I would call the second video novice skier lol, That was quite the fail, but i guess i learned alot about drifting in a pickup truck in the middle of Ne, the state not the region, not much to do for fun round there, but this is an excellent analogy, especially the f1 analogy, if you go back and watch F1 vids from say 1995 the drift and slip is alot more noticable due to less downforce, but even today the drivers have some drift and slip just like pro ski racers, much more noticable in gs than in downhill.
 

post #104 of 104

It's all about fun!

 

I followed this guy a few times and filmed him.  He did not know.  I think he busted me though. 

 

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