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post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 

Skis that are NOT made in China or in other countries that have nuclear missles targeting the United States and its Allies. As much as I deplore buying products from Countries that don't have any enviromental or worker safety regulations, I hate funding the military of my nation's enemies.

 So what's out there for skis?

 

It looks like Ogasaka Ski North America LLC is shut down. So those skis aren't imported into the US.  Does Yamaha still make skis? any other japanese built brands? or Korean ski brands? How about any other asian brands of skis? Taiwan does excellent work in composites for bikes and other sporting goods do they build any skis there?

 

South American skis? I don't know of any brands?? are there any?

 

 

post #2 of 29

There were recently a few other posts on this subject.  You may want to take a look at them.

post #3 of 29

Silly political thread that has nothing to do with skiing. 

 

If you really wanted answers to these questions, you'd have searched for five minutes....

 

If you believe the issue you bring up is real, take a trip to Beijing and Shanghai. Spend a few days in the malls and 4 star hotels. See if you can check out some business offices. It'd become clear pretty quickly that missiles would not be beneficial to anyone in a world of deep, deep economic entanglement. And that the folks who run that country know it. 

post #4 of 29

Nord,

Never mind the Chinese skis, you need to rid your home of all products made in China. That means just about all your electronics, appliances, most clothing and furniture. Also you better check out some items that are made in the USA by Chinese owned companies.

 

One thing that the Chinese have figured out that you haven't: Economic dominance is more powerful than military dominance.

post #5 of 29

We've already had this thread. Can't you just buy Austrian skis? I don't think they have any nukes pointed at anybody.

post #6 of 29

I have Colorado skis.

 

And while you're at it, better not shop at Wally World.

 

 

"Oh, we're the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society
Here to save our country from a communistic plot
Join the John Birch Society, help us fill the ranks
To get this movement started we need lots of tools and cranks."

post #7 of 29
Thread Starter 

Economic dominance is more powerful than military dominance. I agree with that, so I try not to buy Chinese made products.

 

I check country of Origin on everything I buy.

Most of my home electronics are old so they were made in Japan or Malaysia.

Computer components I buy are Tawainese.

Any furniture that I bought new was made in Oregon or Washington state. I was given some IKEA stuff that is probably Chinese.

 

Shoes and Clothing are harder. My hiking boots are Asolos and Garmonts. Made in the Ukraine, Romania and Italy.

Lighter weight shoes are Nike and Asics, So I have to do better there.

I wear Carhart pants a lot and they are made in US or Mexico. There is a lot of casual Clothing made in India, Bahamas, Dominican Republic, Central America, Portugal and other places that are not China. So that's what I buy.

My $75 Microwave was made in Tennessee. My other Appliances are old and Probably American.

I have disposable/bad for the planet electronics like cellphone and digital cameras. These are usually Chinese. I hang on to them for a long time and don't upgrade due to fashion changes.

 

Back on Topic

 

With Jarden Corp (K2/Volkl/Marker/Karhu/Trak/Line/Madshus/Ride/Morrow/ Full Tilt/Olin/PRE) buying 1/3 of Rossignol Group(Rossi, Lange, Look, Dynastar, Roxy) The ski industry will probably see more Chinese production and less ski brands and models.

I think K2s quality has actually went up when it moved to China.  It's easy to build good stuff cheaply when your whole supply chain doesn't have any Worker safety or evironmental regulations.

 

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanoT View Post

Nord,

Never mind the Chinese skis, you need to rid your home of all products made in China. That means just about all your electronics, appliances, most clothing and furniture. Also you better check out some items that are made in the USA by Chinese owned companies.

 

One thing that the Chinese have figured out that you haven't: Economic dominance is more powerful than military dominance.

post #8 of 29
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post

I have Colorado skis.

 

And while you're at it, better not shop at Wally World.

Most of my skis are Austrian. I also have a pair of Canadian Karhus, Some GermanVolkls, some US made K2

 

I have shopped at WAL-MART twice. I bought Some RAY-O-VAC batteries (US made) and bought some cleaning supplies. I also try to avoid shopping at Home Depot. More of an Amercan jobs issue. I would rather pay more to buy something,  than pay more in my taxes to support the jobless.

post #9 of 29
Thread Starter 


Quote:

Originally Posted by spindrift View Post

Silly political thread that has nothing to do with skiing. 

 

If you really wanted answers to these questions, you'd have searched for five minutes....

 

If you believe the issue you bring up is real, take a trip to Beijing and Shanghai. Spend a few days in the malls and 4 star hotels. See if you can check out some business offices. It'd become clear pretty quickly that missiles would not be beneficial to anyone in a world of deep, deep economic entanglement. And that the folks who run that country know it. 

Are you saying the Chinese Government has given up on its territorial claims on Taiwan, parts of India and those Japanese slands? If true that would be great.

 

I actually want to go to China, but if I did it would be on a business trip. I know  a former coworker that got ill on a trip to one of the plants I might go to. Possible chemical contamination.

 

 

So I want to go but Don't want to go.

post #10 of 29

Politics aside, there are PLENTY of skis made in the US. You just have to look a little. most of the more popular brands have been mentioned repeatedly on this site.

post #11 of 29
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Originally Posted by NordtheBarbarian View Post


Quote:

Are you saying the Chinese Government ...blah blah blah?

Nope, he's saying that there are a lot of places to be a lot more concerned about, regardless of whom has missiles pointed where. I spend a lot of time in China, and I agree. 

 

And I'm saying that you seem more interested in picking a political fight than talking about ski gear. This is a forum about ski gear. We have a forum for political fights. Suggest you go there and post 1950's worldviews to your heart's content...
 

post #12 of 29


 LMAO!

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Originally Posted by beyond View Post


And I'm saying that you seem more interested in picking a political fight than talking about ski gear. This is a forum about ski gear. We have a forum for political fights. Suggest you go there and post 1950's worldviews to your heart's content...
 

post #13 of 29
Thread Starter 

A 1950 mindset is

"What's Good for General motors is good for America"

 

The current mindset is

"What's good for the American Consumer is good for the World" 

 

I've been trying to keep this on the discussion on Skis and everybody just wants to attack my politics.

I have gotten 2 helpful posts. Those posts are summarized below.

 

1) Buy Austrian

2) Look this up elsewhere

 

 

post #14 of 29
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Originally Posted by NordtheBarbarian View Post

 

I've been trying to keep this on the discussion on Skis and everybody just wants to attack my politics.


 



And who was it introduced politics as a basis for buying skis?

 

Like your original topic wasn't deliberately inflammatory?

 

Time to stop feeding the trolls.

post #15 of 29
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Originally Posted by NordtheBarbarian View Post

A 1950 mindset is

"What's Good for General motors is good for America"

 

The current mindset is

"What's good for the American Consumer is good for the World" 

 

I've been trying to keep this on the discussion on Skis and everybody just wants to attack my politics.

I have gotten 2 helpful posts. Those posts are summarized below.

 

1) Buy Austrian

2) Look this up elsewhere

 

 



Are you really that lazy?

 

http://www.pmgear.com/ 

http://www.momentskis.com/

http://on3pskis.com/

http://www.icelanticboards.com/

http://www.praxisskis.com/

http://www.igneousskis.com/

http://www.priorskis.com/(actually in Whister but it's pretty damn close)

 

These are just a few. Educate yourself before you talk out the side of your neck.

post #16 of 29

What nukes pointed at the US?  Did you live through 1989, the year that communism permanently changed?   It started in Poland, and spread almost everywhere in eastern Europe.  Hungry, East Germany, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Romania, all dumped communism.  Then came the Domino Theory in reverse over the next three years.  A lot of countries with skiers in the World Cup today (Croatia, Slovenia, Russia (hosting the next Winter Olympics) etc. were all communist at one time.  INSTEAD OF ATTEMPTING TO BLOW EACH OTHER UP, WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SELL STUFF TO EACH OTHER FOR THE PAST TWO DECADES.  Where have you been?

 

China is, of course, different.  I would argue that in 1989 they were forever embarrassed with the events in Tiananmen Square. The picture in the minds of the world of that guy standing in front of the tank will be with us (the free world) for at least another generation or two.  But that was also around the beginning of capitalism in China, and capitalism always brings political changes with it.  China doesn't have it 100% figured out yet, but they are getting there.  Before I'm expected to go into puppy heaven they will have a larger economy than the USA, which means we'll be damn glad to be able to sell goods and services to them.  Right now, China is one of the reasons why the USA isn't inflating through the roof.  That is a good thing.

 

When you go and buy your 100% American-made ski, remember that the sintered racing bases probably comes from Europe, as does the titinal (mostly aluminum and not titanium).  The edges?  They can come from anywhere including Asia.  The resins or glues that hold it all together?  Likely from a US firm manufactured in Asia.  The core?  That depends.  US spruce and maple is good stuff.  Some people are going to bamboo, which I think technically it is a grass.  Anyhow, bamboo probably ain't grown here, dude. Fiberglass wrapped cores?  Likely Asia or Europe for the glass that is spun.  The screws that mount the bindings to the skis come from Asia.  Speaking about bindings, how many are made in the USA?  Marker?  Tyrolia? Solomon? Look?  I don't think so! And what about your boots?  Outside of Daleboot in Salt Lake City, they are pretty much all all made overseas.

 

You should consider re-framing your anti-China thoughts to buying skis from manufacturers that are good world citizens.  For example, do they care about their workers, the environment and society as a whole?  If you did, you could actually feel OK about purchasing a ski from a Colorado-based company, owned by a  USA citizen married to an Italian who moved to an island off China to manufacture skis (Ski Logik).  In fact, I can't wait for my new custom-topped (marquetry) skis to arrive.  And I can sleep well at night knowing a tree will be planted to make up for the veneers used, they pay above average Chinese wages, they include health care, they used no inks or dyes that could pollute the water, etc.  And you can bet that I'll purchase European bindings manufactured in China, and have them mounted on the skis here using USA labor. 

 

At least 7 countries (probably a lot more) will be involved in some way with my new skis and bindings.  This is the new world.  We are mostly (N Korea with it's delusional leaded excluded) all trying to sell stuff to each other, not blow each other up.

 

PS:  When I next ski at The Canyons in PC I'll ride some of Utah's finest snow.  I'll also be in a resort owned by a Canadian firm (Talikster, with big holdings in Deer Valley), sitting on a heated bubble chair made in Europe while watching a New Zealander instructor below giving a lesson to a kid from Japan, wearing my TNF ski jacket made in some Asian country I never knew existed, sipping on my free Swiss chocolate...well, you get the idea.
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by NordtheBarbarian View Post

Skis that are NOT made in China or in other countries that have nuclear missles targeting the United States and its Allies. As much as I deplore buying products from Countries that don't have any enviromental or worker safety regulations, I hate funding the military of my nation's enemies.

 So what's out there for skis?

 

It looks like Ogasaka Ski North America LLC is shut down. So those skis aren't imported into the US.  Does Yamaha still make skis? any other japanese built brands? or Korean ski brands? How about any other asian brands of skis? Taiwan does excellent work in composites for bikes and other sporting goods do they build any skis there?

 

South American skis? I don't know of any brands?? are there any?

 

 

post #17 of 29
Thread Starter 

I should have added that I'm looking for All mountains 85ish waist,   good in soft snow, but not terrible on hardpack. Not Twin tips either.

Have to be good for skating/herrinboning/sidestepping and long traverses. 

thanks

post #18 of 29
Thread Starter 

Nice Rant.

However. Didn't say anything about US only skis.

I wasn't refering at all to Russian nukes.

Reference was  to the Chinese Nukes (maybe Neutron bombs too) pointed at Taiwan, possibly Japan.

 

 

Originally Posted by quant2325 View Post
"You should consider re-framing your anti-China thoughts to buying skis from manufacturers that are good world citizens. "

 

Awesome Point.

Actually, I wanted to argue that point in this thread.

 

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/70215/skis-that-are-not-made-in-china

 

But after reading all 7 pages, I got to the end and the thread was locked. So I started another thread.  

I threw in the japanese ski brand thing in so I wouldn't be accused of being a racist and have that conversation dominate the thread.

 

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by quant2325 View Post

What nukes pointed at the US?  Did you live through 1989, the year that communism permanently changed?   It started in Poland, and spread almost everywhere in eastern Europe.  Hungry, East Germany, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Romania, all dumped communism.  Then came the Domino Theory in reverse over the next three years.  A lot of countries with skiers in the World Cup today (Croatia, Slovenia, Russia (hosting the next Winter Olympics) etc. were all communist at one time.  INSTEAD OF ATTEMPTING TO BLOW EACH OTHER UP, WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SELL STUFF TO EACH OTHER FOR THE PAST TWO DECADES.  Where have you been?

 

China is, of course, different.  I would argue that in 1989 they were forever embarrassed with the events in Tiananmen Square. The picture in the minds of the world of that guy standing in front of the tank will be with us (the free world) for at least another generation or two.  But that was also around the beginning of capitalism in China, and capitalism always brings political changes with it.  China doesn't have it 100% figured out yet, but they are getting there.  Before I'm expected to go into puppy heaven they will have a larger economy than the USA, which means we'll be damn glad to be able to sell goods and services to them.  Right now, China is one of the reasons why the USA isn't inflating through the roof.  That is a good thing.

 

When you go and buy your 100% American-made ski, remember that the sintered racing bases probably comes from Europe, as does the titinal (mostly aluminum and not titanium).  The edges?  They can come from anywhere including Asia.  The resins or glues that hold it all together?  Likely from a US firm manufactured in Asia.  The core?  That depends.  US spruce and maple is good stuff.  Some people are going to bamboo, which I think technically it is a grass.  Anyhow, bamboo probably ain't grown here, dude. Fiberglass wrapped cores?  Likely Asia or Europe for the glass that is spun.  The screws that mount the bindings to the skis come from Asia.  Speaking about bindings, how many are made in the USA?  Marker?  Tyrolia? Solomon? Look?  I don't think so! And what about your boots?  Outside of Daleboot in Salt Lake City, they are pretty much all all made overseas.

 

You should consider re-framing your anti-China thoughts to buying skis from manufacturers that are good world citizens.  For example, do they care about their workers, the environment and society as a whole?  If you did, you could actually feel OK about purchasing a ski from a Colorado-based company, owned by a  USA citizen married to an Italian who moved to an island off China to manufacture skis (Ski Logik).  In fact, I can't wait for my new custom-topped (marquetry) skis to arrive.  And I can sleep well at night knowing a tree will be planted to make up for the veneers used, they pay above average Chinese wages, they include health care, they used no inks or dyes that could pollute the water, etc.  And you can bet that I'll purchase European bindings manufactured in China, and have them mounted on the skis here using USA labor. 

 

At least 7 countries (probably a lot more) will be involved in some way with my new skis and bindings.  This is the new world.  We are mostly (N Korea with it's delusional leaded excluded) all trying to sell stuff to each other, not blow each other up.

 

PS:  When I next ski at The Canyons in PC I'll ride some of Utah's finest snow.  I'll also be in a resort owned by a Canadian firm (Talikster, with big holdings in Deer Valley), sitting on a heated bubble chair made in Europe while watching a New Zealander instructor below giving a lesson to a kid from Japan, wearing my TNF ski jacket made in some Asian country I never knew existed, sipping on my free Swiss chocolate...well, you get the idea.
 

post #19 of 29
Thread Starter 

Thanks to some of the comments in this post. I have re-thought my anti-China stance.

I worked in the defense industry at the end of the cold war and that atmosphere probably clouded my judgement.

 

Here are my current ideas on buying Chinese stuff:  Buying Chinese products makes China Prosper.

A Wealth China won't risk going to war over some islands. Too much economic risk for little reward.

A prosperous China will be able to afford pollution controls on their Coal fired Power plants and safe working conditions for their workers.

 

However, I still don't like Companies that close down their US plants to move to China.

post #20 of 29
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post

This is a forum about ski gear. We have a forum for political fights. Suggest you go there and post ...
 

 

Oct 26, 2010

 

Hi Beyond:

 

If you mean the politics and hot topic forum, then not yet, since NtheB is not a supporter, at least not yet.

 

Think snow,

 

CP
 

post #21 of 29
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Originally Posted by NordtheBarbarian View Post

It looks like Ogasaka Ski North America LLC is shut down. So those skis aren't imported into the US.  Does Yamaha still make skis? any other japanese built brands? or Korean ski brands? How about any other asian brands of skis? Taiwan does excellent work in composites for bikes and other sporting goods do they build any skis there?

 

 

 

 

Slightly off topic, but Ogasaka is now imported by a different group into the US. If you go to the Ogasaka Japan site, just click on the US flag on the top right corner and it will take you to the new US site. Yamaha is no longer making skis, but ID One Ski is made in Japan, as well as a few other up and coming small companies.
 

post #22 of 29

 

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Originally Posted by NordtheBarbarian View Post

 

I've been trying to keep this on the discussion on Skis and everybody just wants to attack my politics.

My GOD!!! It's like 911 all over again.

 

 

post #23 of 29

wow , a Chinese skier is skimming this topic.

 

just go on

 

 

I thinks most skis will be made in China in 10 years.

 

but the price in China is higher than in  US.

post #24 of 29

i really see no issue with buying products from countries that may or may not like us.  the way i see it, as their economies develop, so will their tastes.  soon they'll be fat couch potatoes, eating mcdonalds and spending their days watching the E channel and posting drivel on the internet.  then who'll be the bitch?  

 

i have a great memory of being stationed in okinawa, japan in the mid 90's where there was a mcdonalds in the city of naha.  due to mcdonalds standards, the size of the building and amount of real estate had to be to american standards; needless to say this place stuck out like a sore thumb in the city and had by the largest parking lot of any business.  if you went there on a friday night, you could see 1980's black cadillac fleetwoods driven by japanese mafia lining the parking lot.  this was partially because it was the only place you could park a fleetwood in the city and the other part is because those guys loved mcdonalds.  yes, mcdonalds was a jap mafia hangout. 

post #25 of 29

I have nothing against the Chinese. But ski companies who move production to China to cut costs and then charge the same or more for their product are slimey. I've got two pair of Sanouks from Germany. IMO that's the last really good ski that Volkl made. I don't notice their skis selling for less since they moved to China. The three pairs of skis I've bought since were made in Slovinia (4frnt EHP) and California (two pairs of Praxis Pows). I honestly don't think quality is much of an issue with stuff made in China.

post #26 of 29
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Originally Posted by epic View Post

We've already had this thread. Can't you just buy Austrian skis? I don't think they have any nukes pointed at anybody.

Or Swiss skis... they're 'Neutral' wink.gif.  Is Authier still in business?
 

post #27 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jer View Post

I have nothing against the Chinese. But ski companies who move production to China to cut costs and then charge the same or more for their product are slimey. I've got two pair of Sanouks from Germany. IMO that's the last really good ski that Volkl made. I don't notice their skis selling for less since they moved to China. The three pairs of skis I've bought since were made in Slovinia (4frnt EHP) and California (two pairs of Praxis Pows). I honestly don't think quality is much of an issue with stuff made in China.



I recall speculating here about whether the lower production costs would be reflected in the retail pricing. nevah happened. I honestly think quality is an issue, probably because off shore is where the huge runs are done, compare the Katana to the Mantra in finish and durability. Lots of issues with the Katana, separations and delams etc. Love the Engineered in Germany designation on their Chinese made models.

post #28 of 29

Since the Chinese devalue their currency up to 40% in order to corner the market and drive industries in other countries out of business, Chinese products should sell for a lot cheaper than the competition otherwise they are not worth buying for me. I'm not interested in sending my money to that country unless I can pay a very low amount for the product, the quality is not worth it. 

post #29 of 29

Last time I checked Taiwan is yet to claim indepedence to China, nor has the balls to. A mod should close this thread, has nothing to do with skiing or skis. The OP obviously wants political talk out of this.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by NordtheBarbarian View Post

Economic dominance is more powerful than military dominance. I agree with that, so I try not to buy Chinese made products.

 

I check country of Origin on everything I buy.

Most of my home electronics are old so they were made in Japan or Malaysia.

Computer components I buy are Tawainese.

Any furniture that I bought new was made in Oregon or Washington state. I was given some IKEA stuff that is probably Chinese.

 

Shoes and Clothing are harder. My hiking boots are Asolos and Garmonts. Made in the Ukraine, Romania and Italy.

Lighter weight shoes are Nike and Asics, So I have to do better there.

I wear Carhart pants a lot and they are made in US or Mexico. There is a lot of casual Clothing made in India, Bahamas, Dominican Republic, Central America, Portugal and other places that are not China. So that's what I buy.

My $75 Microwave was made in Tennessee. My other Appliances are old and Probably American.

I have disposable/bad for the planet electronics like cellphone and digital cameras. These are usually Chinese. I hang on to them for a long time and don't upgrade due to fashion changes.

 

Back on Topic

 

With Jarden Corp (K2/Volkl/Marker/Karhu/Trak/Line/Madshus/Ride/Morrow/ Full Tilt/Olin/PRE) buying 1/3 of Rossignol Group(Rossi, Lange, Look, Dynastar, Roxy) The ski industry will probably see more Chinese production and less ski brands and models.

I think K2s quality has actually went up when it moved to China.  It's easy to build good stuff cheaply when your whole supply chain doesn't have any Worker safety or evironmental regulations.

 

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanoT View Post

Nord,

Never mind the Chinese skis, you need to rid your home of all products made in China. That means just about all your electronics, appliances, most clothing and furniture. Also you better check out some items that are made in the USA by Chinese owned companies.

 

One thing that the Chinese have figured out that you haven't: Economic dominance is more powerful than military dominance.


 
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