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post #31 of 59
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Looks like your helmet was NOT made in the good Ole' U S of A



Giro, Santa Cruz right?

It did it's job, I'm here to post it. That was a rock wall, cliff. Tell you what's interesting. There is meltage, as in friction, heat.

post #32 of 59

I think within the next few years helmets are going to be required for all resort workers in the USA. At my mountain its already like that, but i know plenty that aren't. It really annoys me having to wear one on the bunny slope, it gets so hot and i spent half the season bitching about it to my boss , but other than that helmets are now light enough that I hardly notice it.

 

Still can't get over how paranoid US resorts are about...everything. In NZ everything is so much more lax. I was shocked to find that you can't even go and build a kicker inside the boundaries in US resorts.

post #33 of 59

Annual skier fatality & injury rates is minuscule in comparison to the F&I rate for bathrooms. What with all the hard & slippery surfaces found in a bathroom? Maybe we should design softer bathroom and/or mandatory helmet usage when going to the bathroom.

 

Actually, I am for helmets, just not the mandatory helmet thing. Same view on seat belt usage just not the seat belt law.  

post #34 of 59

In order to meet applicable safety standards, Ski Helmets are TESTED on a fixture where they are subjected to a 14 mph impact.

 

In order to meet applicable safety standards, Motorcycle helmets are TESTED on a fixture where they are subjected to a 17 mph impact.

 

To say that neither type of helmet provides protection for wearers traveling at higher speeds than 14 or 17 mph (respectively) is unfounded, untrue, and a misinterpretation of the above facts about testing procedures.

 

http://www.telemarktips.com/Helmets.html 

post #35 of 59

Since I assume this thread was started in my honor:

 

If someone could explain to me, why if you believe in the ethos that even if the chances of injury are almost nil, (as proven by ski stats) but hey, why not be safer if you can be.....that you dont wear a helmet all the time?

post #36 of 59

I asked myself the same thing and I now remove my helmet when I'm indoors sometimes. I've always removed it when I wash my hair and when I go to bed.

post #37 of 59

Skidude72

 

 

post #38 of 59
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Since I assume this thread was started in my honor:

 

If someone could explain to me, why if you believe in the ethos that even if the chances of injury are almost nil, (as proven by ski stats) but hey, why not be safer if you can be.....that you dont wear a helmet all the time?



Why ski mid fats or fats on hardpack and manmade snow?  Lots of people do it even when they have an older, less fashionable but more surface appropriate pair of skis at home. 

 

The reason we ski newer wider skis on hardpack, and the reason we wear helmets is often not because the analysis deems it to be the most prudent choice.  We do it because it looks so damn cool!

 

We can justify it all we want.. I wear one/ski them because I might duck in to the trees to find a little deeper stash where a branch might hit my head.  But the truth is we want to look cool!.

post #39 of 59

Helmets and smoking and public policy. I was wondering the other day how these things go together. It seems to me that a lot of the arguments are the same, such as "who's going to pay for your cancer/traumatic brain injury?". I also wonder if the people that smoke could be less likely to wear helmets. It seems that in both groups there is a little bit of "I won't let you tell me what to do". One big difference is that smoking is way more likely to hurt you, I guess another big difference is that we don't have giant multi-national hat companies pushing kids to ski helmetless.

post #40 of 59
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Helmets and smoking and public policy. I was wondering the other day how these things go together. It seems to me that a lot of the arguments are the same, such as "who's going to pay for your cancer/traumatic brain injury?". I also wonder if the people that smoke could be less likely to wear helmets. It seems that in both groups there is a little bit of "I won't let you tell me what to do". One big difference is that smoking is way more likely to hurt you, I guess another big difference is that we don't have giant multi-national hat companies pushing kids to ski helmetless.

 

Smoking's cool.

Not wearing a seat belt's cool

Not wearing a helmet's cool

 

Smoking's not cool

Not wearing a seat belt's not cool

Not wearing a helmet's not cool

 

People do what they think is "cool".  And, what people think is "cool" varies by groups and individuals and often doesn't reflect actual probabilities of what is safe or optimal for the situation.

 

 

Hey, one of the more subjective reasons I prefer to wear a helmet is I'm bald  Did anybody ever do a poll about how many more bald men wear helmets than men with nice hair?  If I had nice hair I'd probably avoid hiding it under a helmet when skiing spring hero snow under the chair lift
 

post #41 of 59
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

There are far too many helmet to helmet hits occurring this season.  Maybe we should increase fines for helmet to helmet collisions in skiing?



That's up to the Commish

post #42 of 59
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post



 

Smoking's cool.

Not wearing a seat belt's cool

Not wearing a helmet's cool

 

Smoking's not cool

Not wearing a seat belt's not cool

Not wearing a helmet's not cool

 

People do what they think is "cool".  And, what people think is "cool" varies by groups and individuals and often doesn't reflect actual probabilities of what is safe or optimal for the situation.

 

 

Hey, one of the more subjective reasons I prefer to wear a helmet is I'm bald  Did anybody ever do a poll about how many more bald men wear helmets than men with nice hair?  If I had nice hair I'd probably avoid hiding it under a helmet when skiing spring hero snow under the chair lift
 



I think people really love the way it feels to go light, no helmet, hair in the wind, ears picking it all up, no sweat. many of my friends are my age and have worn a hat for 40 years. I know that I have a more natural feeling skiing, stronger muscle memory, when everything is consistent, day to day. I started wearing a helmet on my road bike so it's the most familiar feeling to me when moving around in the mountains. when I wear a baseball style cap, I can barely ski any more, such a distraction.

 

the stats don't prove anything^^^because they do not control for the type of skiing. You take a sample group good skiers, young males, skiers who just go jump something every run, ski so close to the cliffs and rock walls that they throw sparks off their edges, hit 40mph every run, etc, your stats are going to be way different.

post #43 of 59

The ones I like best are the motorcycles riders screaming down the freeway at 75+ with a helmet attached to the bike.

post #44 of 59
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The ones I like best are the motorcycles riders screaming down the freeway at 75+ with a helmet attached to the bike.

 

That's not screaming...its the sound of hair peeling back.  We're not as young as we once were ya know?

 

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post #45 of 59

End Game:

 

Pro helmet: I wear a helmet because I want to and you can't stop me.

Anti helmet: I don't wear a helmet because I don't want to and you can't make me.

 

Thank you.

David

post #46 of 59

 Hello.  My name is Ken and I wear a helmet.

 

Anybody know anyone that was taken away in an ambulance because they were wearing a helmet?

 

This whole thread is about risk management.  Everyone manages their risks differently.  It doesn't matter if you are talking about skiing, driving or investments.  Some folks want belts and suspenders and others run around naky.  Get over it.

 

The folks participating in this thread have probably negatively impacted their health more from the spikes in blood pressure and heart palpitations than skiing without a helmet ever will.

 

If you don't want folks to wear a helmet, set the example - don't wear one.

 

If you want folks to wear a helmet, set the example - wear one.

 

Actions usually have a stronger impact than words:

 

When my wife (amazingly still together after 21 years) and I started dating, I noticed she didn't wear a seat belt.  I thought she should so I did a seat belt check (nailed the brakes going 35mph).    She thought I was an ass for doing it but also found out the only way to get me to stop was to wear one.   21 years later she won't get out of the driveway without it on.  Nor will she let any kid not wear one and preaches to others about wearing one.

 

Ken

 

P.S.  She still thinks I'm an ass.  She never gets an arguement about it from me or others.

 

 

post #47 of 59
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Originally Posted by L&AirC View Post

 

Anybody know anyone that was taken away in an ambulance because they were wearing a helmet?


 

 


Yes.   Me.  Y2K.    Backwards slow speed fall against a hard surface* , drove the sharp back edge of the outer shell through the styrofoam and into the back of my neck. 

 

I now no longer wear shorty helmets.

 

*I was not clipped into bindings at the time.

 

post #48 of 59

 

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Originally Posted by comprex
 
Yes.   Me.

 

 

OK. 

 

Now anyone know anyone that was taken away in an ambulance be cause they weren't wearing a helmet.

 

I'll start off

 

I know three.

post #49 of 59

 

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Originally Posted by Skidude72 View Post
If someone could explain to me, why if you believe in the ethos that even if the chances of injury are almost nil, (as proven by ski stats) but hey, why not be safer if you can be.....that you dont wear a helmet all the time?


Do you wear a seat belt all the time when you drive?  I mean, the chances of you being injured in a car accident on any particular trip are almost nil.

 

In the real world, you have to make tradeoffs all the time between safety and cost -- "cost" here being more all-encompassing than just money, including things like enjoyment, inconvenience, etc.  Given that I want to wear a hat and something over my ears most of the time when I'm skiing, and I have to lug around a lot of gear anyway, the "cost" to me of wearing a helmet while skiing is close to 0.  This is not the case all the time.

 

In some cases, whether some preventative measure is worth it or not is clear.  But in many situations, it's not, especially when the risk you're trying to mitigate is very unlikely to begin with.  Often the relevant probabilities are simply unknown and have to be estimated, and if people make different estimates they may come to different conclusions, and in some sense they may both be right.

 

I wear a helmet while I'm riding my bike or skiing but not around the house because, by my estimation, I'm much more likely to sustain a severe, unshielded blow to the head while riding my bike or skiing.  And from what I can tell from the research, a helmet would be very helpful at preventing brain injury in some of those cases.  I might bonk my head on a kitchen cupboard if I'm careless, but I'm extremely unlikely to get a concussion while doing the dishes.

 

To be fair, people sometimes wildly overestimate the chances of long-shot events happening to them, especially if the long-shot event seems impossible to mitigate.  If you polled people, they would probably rank, say, being outside during a thunderstorm as more dangerous than taking a shower, but many many many more people are injured or killed every year in their own bathroom than by being hit by lightning.

 

By the numbers, skiing is pretty safe.  I will totally agree that you're much more likely to die in a car accident on the way to the hill, especially in bad weather.  But it's significantly less safe than sitting in your living room.

post #50 of 59
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Helmets and smoking and public policy. I was wondering the other day how these things go together. It seems to me that a lot of the arguments are the same, such as "who's going to pay for your cancer/traumatic brain injury?". I also wonder if the people that smoke could be less likely to wear helmets. It seems that in both groups there is a little bit of "I won't let you tell me what to do". One big difference is that smoking is way more likely to hurt you, I guess another big difference is that we don't have giant multi-national hat companies pushing kids to ski helmetless.


I smoke and wear a helmet.

 

How could smoking be more likely to hurt you then hitting your head in a high risk injury sport?

 

Not saying smoking is good, but the comparison is stupid.

post #51 of 59
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How could smoking be more likely to hurt you then hitting your head in a high risk injury sport?

 

Not saying smoking is good, but the comparison is stupid.


COPD? Cancer? Smoking seems like a way bigger roll of the dice than skiing if you ask me.

post #52 of 59

I buy all the anti helmet arguements... but,

 

I've broken 2 or 3 mountain bike helmet, and I go faster on my skis w/ the same rocks and trees at close quarters..

and,

I've broken 1 ski helmet.

 

I also hate the feeling after bashing your head, where you feel a little fuzzy headed and not so sharp... i can deal w/ losing my arm, or leg, but i'd hate to lose my presence and clear thought. just those times when it's lasted an hour or two after a hard impact are scary, but...

 

I like my helmet.

 

cons, w/ the heavy ones, my neck gets tweaked after skiing bumps.

I had to go back to my old giro 9 from a smith variant brim, as the smith was 33% heavier and tweaked my neck out after a day skiing bumps.

 

Cheers,

Holiday

post #53 of 59

My mom is 90, suffering now with COPD.  She smoked from when she was young until about 24 years ago, then she stopped.  I know I've seen something somewhere that says your lungs eventually recover.  Well, apparently the COPD all this time later is due to her smoking.  The assisted living center she was living in refused to take her back after an operation, saying she needed a nursing home because of her incessant coughing.  Well, she's not ready for a nursing home, she's just not at that stage.  So, we had to find another assisted living center with 24 hour nursing.  It's costing $7000 a month, compared to the last one which was $4700 a month.

 

Think about it.
 

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I smoke and wear a helmet.

 

How could smoking be more likely to hurt you then hitting your head in a high risk injury sport?

 

Not saying smoking is good, but the comparison is stupid.





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COPD? Cancer? Smoking seems like a way bigger roll of the dice than skiing if you ask me.

post #54 of 59

Why don't the smoke haters start a new crusade, like alcohol.

 

Far, Far more harm. Kills many instantly on our roads, kills childhoods and children, not to mention the medical problems.

 

Wait, booze is OK because we drink it, but the smokers shall be shunned.

 

post #55 of 59
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Why don't the smoke haters start a new crusade, like alcohol.

 

Far, Far more harm. Kills many instantly on our roads, kills childhoods and children, not to mention the medical problems.

 

Wait, booze is OK because we drink it, but the smokers shall be shunned.

 



Another parallel - equally polarizing.

post #56 of 59
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Originally Posted by Jag View Post

Why don't the smoke haters start a new crusade, like alcohol.

 

Far, Far more harm. Kills many instantly on our roads, kills childhoods and children, not to mention the medical problems.

 

Wait, booze is OK because we drink it, but the smokers shall be shunned.

 

The tobacco high is virtually nil. Using a very addictive drug that doesn't get you high is evidence of poor risk/benefit evaluation.
 

post #57 of 59

I'll probably get one of these neck mounted airbags so I can ski with my long hair flowing free...

 

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23889978-perfect-for-a-boris-bike-and-8201-invisible-cycling-collar-with-a-built-in-airbag.do

post #58 of 59

You mean " The Hairbag"?

post #59 of 59


 

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Originally Posted by Stranger View Post

Why are we so restrictive with our personal safety issues? 

 

.......Emptying the dishwasher, or worse house cleaning, are natural trauma producers.  Protect us!

 


Ah, those damn illegal immigrant laws....destroying the good life....forcing wages up above $7.50/hr?   What the heck is this country coming to.....LOL.

Protect us from the enemy within!!....


Edited by HaveSkisWillClimb - 10/30/10 at 2:38pm
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