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115mm waisted ski to compliment Mantras

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 

I'm toying with the idea of getting a wider pair of skis to compliment my Volkl Mantras if the price is right.

Can get a pair of Dynastar Huge Troubles for the right price and was wondering if these might compliment the Mantras or would be too similar?

 

Any thought/opinions welcomed.

Cheers

post #2 of 20

The HT skis like a fatter all mountain ski. You already have a fat all mountain ski so I think there would be a bit of overlap in your quiver. If you want a pow ski this really is not the best one.

post #3 of 20
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Originally Posted by tromano View Post


The HT skis like a fatter all mountain ski. You already have a fat all mountain ski so I think there would be a bit of overlap in your quiver. If you want a pow ski this really is not the best one.





+1.
post #4 of 20

unless you like the Mantra and want same with more float, which is the route I went.

post #5 of 20

That's an easy question.

 

1. If you want a ski very similar to Mantra on the harder snow but much more floaty and surfy in the powder - get Katana.

2. If you want a more funshape'ish skis with even better ability to ski powder and still good on hardpack but not quite as good - get Lhasa Pow

3. If you want a ski that is outstanding in pow and that could be skied on hardpack without serious problems - get the Lotus 120 or if you are looking for cheaper options - Atomic Atlas.

4. If you are read to use your Mantras on an average powder day/marginal powder day and want a ski that is the BEST for skiing on the BIGGEST days and for say heliskiing - get the Lotus 138 or if you're looking for cheaper options K2 Pontoons.

post #6 of 20


aside from seeing your favorites lined up, which as you say is easy enough to do, explain to me the difference between Katana and SSH
 

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Originally Posted by apeyros View Post

That's an easy question.

 

1. If you want a ski very similar to Mantra on the harder snow but much more floaty and surfy in the powder - get Katana.

2. If you want a more funshape'ish skis with even better ability to ski powder and still good on hardpack but not quite as good - get Lhasa Pow

3. If you want a ski that is outstanding in pow and that could be skied on hardpack without serious problems - get the Lotus 120 or if you are looking for cheaper options - Atomic Atlas.

4. If you are read to use your Mantras on an average powder day/marginal powder day and want a ski that is the BEST for skiing on the BIGGEST days and for say heliskiing - get the Lotus 138 or if you're looking for cheaper options K2 Pontoons.

post #7 of 20
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Originally Posted by tromano View Post

The HT skis like a fatter all mountain ski. You already have a fat all mountain ski so I think there would be a bit of overlap in your quiver. If you want a pow ski this really is not the best one.


^^^^ What he said. If you like the Mantra feel, but want a truer powder ski design, suggest something like a Lhasa Pow, Prior Overlord, or a DPS 112RP. Eg, something with rocker, carbon, and stiffness. Mostly agree with Davluri, but uncertain about whether the Lotus 120 is all that happy on hardpack, or whether the Katana is different enough in mission to justify purchase (as he said, it's a fatter Mantra, period.)

 

And you want a really different ski, think about stuff like a S7, Praxis Protest, 4FNT EHP, or Lotus 138. None of which will feel, act, or perform like a Mantra. 

post #8 of 20

 

 

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explain to me the difference between Katana and SSH

What is SSH?

 

Actually Katana is very similar to Mantra but is fatter and has continuous rocker that makes it surf quite well.

 

If it were me I would pick the Lotus 120s to complement the Mantra's. Since I ski mostly soft snow my quiver consists of the Lhasa's and the Lotus 138's at the moment and I couldn't be happier.

post #9 of 20
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Originally Posted by apeyros View Post

 

 

What is SSH?

 

Actually Katana is very similar to Mantra but is fatter and has continuous rocker that makes it surf quite well.

 

If it were me I would pick the Lotus 120s to complement the Mantra's. Since I ski mostly soft snow my quiver consists of the Lhasa's and the Lotus 138's at the moment and I couldn't be happier.



as mentioned above as HT (Huge Trouble same ski as the 2009 model) or SSH - Dynastar: Sixth Sense Huge. It's a significant ski in the 115mm category and to replace it (as a recommendation) with the 110 Katana and not know the SSH, is sort of.....just listing your favorites.

 

It's hard to qualify what you say about gear that is conditions dependent when you don't include what region you hail in your profile,  from or mention it in the post. It just floats there without basis for giving it cred.

post #10 of 20
Thread Starter 

Thanks for replies.

Wasn't looking to replace Mantras but I have a spare pair of 115mm brakes to suit tyrolia railflex bindings. i ski in japan and was looking to sneak in a an extra pair of skis and use same bindings to keep weight down. Powder skis are hard to come by where I live so I am limited to pre-loved from ebay or very good deals from US. Ski.com can deliver a pair of HT's to my door for a bit over $400 Oz. At this price, I could sneak a purchase past the missus, but not much point in buying soemthing with that much overlap.

 

I'll look forward to googling up some info on the skis mentioned, keeping an eye out on ebay and seeking the sage advice that is generally on offer when a potentially suitable ski pops up in my price range.

 

cheers

 

post #11 of 20

when did you figure the 115 was too much overlap?  I thought that was your search based on the thread title.  Or did I miss something? The HT was built in a 185cm and maybe one larger length, unlike the two others that come in a 175.

post #12 of 20
Mantras do not ski powder well, they are too stiff. HT will ski powder very well, but not as well as the rockered ski. HT is my powder ski and my all mountain ski is 94 mm, almost the same as Mantra, the waist is not the whole story, stiffness and flex pattern and sidecut are just as important. Mantra is a stiff tail ski with camber, HT is a soft tail ski with no camber. HT is much, much better as a soft snow ski.
post #13 of 20
Thread Starter 

 I am actually after some skis to compliment/travel with my Mantras. I am interested in 115mm waisted skis so that I can interchange bindings. Reference to overlap was in regard to the HT's/Mantras not 115 waisted skis in general, apologies for misunderstanding.

 

I do see the odd pair of Hellbents pop up for sale from time to time so maybe I am better off getting something totally different than Mantras. As metioned, i was interested in opinions on the HT because they can be had cheaply and I could intechange bindings.

post #14 of 20

Then HT's are a solid choice! I just wanna say that if you go this way you miss something very interesting that the modern ski market is offering you - the funshapes. So again if I were you I would drop some cash and get the Lotus 120s, even in hybrid (which are cheaper) - that would be a dream travel ski to complement the Mantras.

post #15 of 20

quiver 002 [1024x768].JPGThis is what a 115 standing next to a 97 looks like

 

 

 

 

.Watea 114 is in that class and hasn't been mentioned, more of a modern shape with  the pin tail and the hull tip. still a fairly trad ski, softer by far than the HT

 

I'll defer on hybrids to those who ski on them, but the S-7 is at the soft end, Bent Chettler at the stiff end, and the indies cover the spectrum, with Praxis Powder being very popular for R R

post #16 of 20
Thread Starter 

I drop a lot of cash already when it comes to skiing. Dragging a family to the Northern Hemisphere every year costs big time.  I think that I might just stick with my Mantras for this year and if I go to Japan again year after I will buy fatter when the sales are on.

I am mounting Railflex bindings on the Mantras which will allow me to move bindings rearward giving me a bit more up front. Perhaps this will make them a bit more pow friendly.

When it's all said and done, I have been using Monster 77's for my last 2 trips to Hokkaido and have had a ball

cheers

post #17 of 20

Mantras were the Sierra powder ski for about 6 -8 years I guess. (or the explosiv which preceeded it in that class).

post #18 of 20

craigr

 

Have you considered taking the opportunity to demo some 115 (or so) skis in Japan - both traditional camber (or flat) as well as the rockered/funshape generation?  That would undoubtedly give you a huge head start when it comes to deciding on a wider ski.  Also, I wouldn't let a $40 brake set determine your course absolutely.

 

Somewhere on this board there's a thread looking at the adviseability of running a railflex system on fatter skis.  Railflex has a narrower base than a typical binding and the forces acting on the rail will be higher from a wider ski (although in 3D snow the whole base is engaged).  From memory, and without looking back at the thread, there were anecdotes of people running railflex at 115-120mm, but some concerns remain.  Not sure of the answer there, but worth investigating.  Hell, for all I know you may have kicked off that thread.

 

I was considering doing the same as yourself - one binding across two railflex skis for travelling.  In my case I was looking at the Monster 78 and Mojo 94.  I'm coming to the conclusion that: 1) the skis are roughly doing the same job anyway, and 2) the ever-decreasing weight limits being set by the airlines may put paid to that approach (I'll weigh everything and make a call on that in January once I'm done packing).  I'm confident the Mojos are capable enough to become the travel ski of choice.

 

Good luck with it.  Nice quandary to be in.

post #19 of 20
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post


Mantras were the Sierra powder ski for about 6 -8 years I guess. (or the explosiv which preceeded it in that class).





Wasn't Explosiv much straighter sidecut than the Mantras? My buddy ran the Mantras as his pow ski for one year and then p
Romptly bough Katanas, I always thought that Mantra is too stiff and too shapely for being a powered ski, but truth to be told I don't like mantras for anything.... Isn't the Legwnd ProRidwr more like the Explosiv?
post #20 of 20
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Originally Posted by alexzn View Post







Wasn't Explosiv much straighter sidecut than the Mantras? My buddy ran the Mantras as his pow ski for one year and then p
Romptly bough Katanas, I always thought that Mantra is too stiff and too shapely for being a powered ski, but truth to be told I don't like mantras for anything.... Isn't the Legwnd ProRidwr more like the Explosiv?



I have ridden both (LP Rider and Explosiv) these skis a whole lot, so I'll comment. The Explosiv was made at least two different ways. One was the original two or three releases (cloud graphics and blue and yellow heli graphics first, then a couple sorcerer models that were the same, but different from the cloud. Then the last, the Budha model, which was the same as the original cloud. Are we still together here? I can't speak to the sorcerer models, though they are the most popular, but I know they are straighter than the Mantra, yes. But the Budha and Cloud model (I owned 4 pr and they are still my rock ski) is a strange beast. It was designed for the skiing of the time, short swing jump turns in chutes. It has a short stiff tail and a stiff forebody. Whole thing stiff as hell. But here's the strange part, the sidecut is not much of a curve, it's a very shallow angle. Pretty straight from the tip angling to behind the boot, then angles out abrubtly from there to the tail. The sides of the angle are slightly, very slightly curved. Odd. Like I said, a platform, check, slide or hop around kinda deal.

 

The Legend Pro feels nothing like the Explosiv. It has a long smooth arc for sidecut. Everything about the ski is smooth, solid, in the snow, and very good with classic style skiing if you like, that is releasing the tails when necessary. The flex is more even throughout the ski, the transitions in flex are smooth, even with a tail much stiffer than the tip. The balance center on the LP is different and broader than the Explosiv. All the gestalt, all the intangibles are totally different between the LP and the Explosiv.

 

The Mantra was claiming to be an evolution from the Explosiv and everyone bought a pair. Some people were like: not as stiff, not as straight, how is this an Explosiv. And were a little grumpy.

 

The entire Explosiv series, combined with the Mantra series, probably logged the most high angle  powder runs at Squaw for the era they were popular of any ski, so I would stretch as far as to say that one can ski powder on them, easily, efficiently, joyfully...no problemo.

 

Katana is a far better powder ski, the choice for Ingrid and J.M., and it represents the next generation of Volkl design, and roughly 13mm wider.

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