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Need advice...Volkl Race Tiger SL and Marker M20 Comp. Do I need a plate under the binding?

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 

Hello.

 

I just purchased the Volkl Race Tiger SL WC in a 165 and Marker M20 Comp.  Bindings were mounted free but I did not get a plate.  I bought on the internet and now feel I should have a plate under the binding.  I guess I did not realize the bindings were so low - ones a few years back were 1" or more off the top of the ski.  M20 is about half that distance.

 

Couple of questions...

 

  • Am I jumping to a conclusion too quickly on needing a plate under the binding?
  • What plate options exist other then the Marker Piston and Integration Plates?  They seem quite pricy.

 

Any other thoughts on on topic would be appreciated.  I am ex-racer from east who skis mostly in Montana now.  Still ski fast, steep, and hard.

 

Thank you for your time and help.


Edited by Moose32 - 10/22/10 at 8:41pm
post #2 of 17

If you look at this page:

 

http://www.volkl.com/ski/ski_rt_sl_stock.php

 

There is no apparent plate on the pic with the skier.

 

I think you are all OK...

post #3 of 17

If you look at the podium shot, there's obviously a plate on those skis.

 

If you look at the action shot, you can see red plastic underneath midboot, this is almost certainly a plate.

 

That being said, you don't *need* a plate with these skis. However, the comp bindings sit fairly low - I haven't seen a pair without a plate in a while.

post #4 of 17

This is form the Skis.com site:

 

 
 

Marker World Cup Piston Control Interface Plate 2011


 

Marker World Cup Piston Control Interface Plate 2011: The World Cup Piston Control Interface (WC PCI) was developed in combination with the Marker Comp bindings to provide the perfect race platform. The WC PCI is a metal framed composite plate with an active hydraulic piston at it's heart. At the most basic the WC PCI is a lifter plate, increasing a skiers stand height and providing more power and leverage to the edges, but when most lifers stop there the WC PCI has much more to offer. The hydraulic piston at the center of the plate remains passive during the flexion of the ski, but in the rebound phase provides addition resistance, eliminating chatter, leaving the skier with a smooth and power exit to the turn. The WC PCI also adds stiffness to the ski, in a tunable manner. Not only can the plates mounting length be changed depending the style of ski but additional sliders towards the rear of the plate can either be used or left empty to achieve the desired ski flex. Having already surpassed what the average lifter plate can offer the WC PCI is set up to allow abducted, or duck, stances for further fine tuning and dialed in response. The WC PCI is more than a lifter plate, it is a tool to provide ultimate power and control for your race equipment.

For more information on Marker World Cup Piston Control Interface Plate 2011 visit Marker's website.

 

Product Specifications for Marker World Cup Piston Control Interface Plate 2011

Din Range
N/A
 
Brake Width
59mm Plate Width
 
Plate Height
11mm Front : 9mm Rear
 
Housing Material
Composite with Metal Frame
 
Features
Race Plate For Use with Marker Comp Bindings
 
Recommended Weight Range
N/A
 
Warranty
One Year
 
Model Year
2011
 
Product ID
196626
 
 
 

Product Features for Marker World Cup Piston Control Interface Plate 2011

  • Works with Marker All Comp Bindings
  • Compatible with Boot Soles 260-362mm
  • Abducted/Duck Stance Options
  • Toe and Heel Spacers for Stand Height Adjustment
  •  Tunable

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #5 of 17

Considering that you won't miss what you've never had I would be tempted to try it without the plate, unless you ski a lot of ice or pseudo ice.

 

Having said that, my daughter's Porsches have a piston controlled (not Comp 20, titanium 1200) binding that seems to work quite well.  My guess is that the 2011 piston control plate is better.

 

Having booted out on ice and knowing that the bruises (actually caused when passing over the skis that didn't stay on my boots when I tried to re-set and get back up - hey, it always worked on my SGs) will take weeks to heel, I would want the extra stand height on icy surfaces, not such a big deal if you don't ski big angles on ice.  Softer snow also does a fairly good job of eliminating chatter and vibration problems you might see more of on harder surfaces.

 

If I were to buy a plate the one posted above is the one I would buy. 


Edited by Ghost - 10/23/10 at 5:36am
post #6 of 17

I don't know how long ago you raced, but.... have you ever seen anyone skiing a race stock SL without a plate? Probably not. It's just assumed that you will run a plate on there.

 

The real question though, is why a race SL for skiing where you ski now? I think you should unload them on a friend out East and get yourself a pair of Mantras (if you want to stay Volkl).

post #7 of 17
Thread Starter 

Thanks.  I will likely buy the plate above.  I think the bindings are M20 (year '09 or '10). 

 

Couple of questions...

 

1) should the 2011 fit the '09 or '10 version?

2) the bindings are mounted on new skis...will the holes be similar to what is alreay on the ski?  Any other concerns with putting on this plate even though bindings are installed?

 

Thans for all the POV's on this topic.

post #8 of 17

The holes should not intefere with each other. You'll be fine.

post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 

How about 9 mm vs 14mm.  I am leaning towards getting the 14mm.

post #10 of 17

They're both nice, but I think I like the 9mm better. The flex seems to be more adjustable.

post #11 of 17

Yes get a plate.

post #12 of 17
Thread Starter 


Not sure I get the below comment.  to just get .5 of an inch for the $200 seems like the 14mm would be better but of course I will just buy one and not demo them.  Any expansion on this would be appreciated.  I can get the 9mm for much cheaper ( I know that is not the main point but a factor)

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Originally Posted by epic View Post

They're both nice, but I think I like the 9mm better. The flex seems to be more adjustable.

post #13 of 17

The plate does more than provide stand height.  It provides damping and affects flex characteristics of the ski.

post #14 of 17
Hey there, just bought a bargain fis legal volkl racetiger gs 183cm 23m radius, pre 2012 model with marker comp 20 bindings, i've set them at 12 DIN , i weigh about 140 pounds and i ski aggresive but i am a little afraid of the high DIN setting, the binding cannot be set at a value lower than 11, in case of a moderate speed crash will they disengage safely?
I don't crash usually, i am a confident skier,but it is my first fis compliant ski, i chose them because i want a better grip at high speed, my other gs skis are a pair of ordinary atomic d2 redster gs 179cm 18m radius
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by vmaprilia View Post

Hey there, just bought a bargain fis legal volkl racetiger gs 183cm 23m radius, pre 2012 model with marker comp 20 bindings, i've set them at 12 DIN , i weigh about 140 pounds and i ski aggresive but i am a little afraid of the high DIN setting, the binding cannot be set at a value lower than 11, in case of a moderate speed crash will they disengage safely?
I don't crash usually, i am a confident skier,but it is my first fis compliant ski, i chose them because i want a better grip at high speed, my other gs skis are a pair of ordinary atomic d2 redster gs 179cm 18m radius

Yeah that sounds pretty high for your weight. Even at 3+ the chart would indicate like 8.5 at the most. I get that you don't crash usually, but all it takes is one. I would suggest trying to find someone with a pair of Comp 16s or 12s who would want to swap.

post #16 of 17
I have the same shape of bindings on a nordica dobermann gs , they are not comp model, but they ĺook the same, i could use those
But this ski was used by a girl and i know that all fis skis come with high DIN numbers for the bindings.
The heel binding comes out quite easy conparing with the toe binding
The guy i bought them from skied them at 16 DIN and he weighed like 180lbs
post #17 of 17
I will try to figure out how to adjust the mondo size on the bindings, i haven't found any markings on the side, and also the ski and the marker plate don't have the middle line punched. I want to be sure that the boot is set centered on the plate

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