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2 and 3 boot Buckle System (Any Disadvantages?)

post #1 of 12
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So I’m thinking of upgrading my boots, I currently have Dalbello Proton’s at a 90 Flex and they are about 5 years old now and I’m looking for a much more advanced boot. I’m searching for a boot in the 120 Flex range without giving up the comfort ( I ski from open till close when I ski so I need comfort) . I ski mainly steeps, trees and bumps so I need a responsive boot.

 

I looked around and saw boots with this new 2 buckle system and 3 buckle system, my main question is do we loose any performance with these buckle systems ?

 

I’m leaning towards the Dalbello Virus , Dalbello Krypton, or the Atomic Live Fit 120. I’ll obviously demo these and try them all on, but I wanted to ask the “pros” to see if I’m thinking in the right direction.. the review section has mix to no comments on these models so I wanted to start a post to clearify.

 

Thanks,

 

X

 

post #2 of 12

If the shape of a ski boot shell is a close approximation of the shape of your foot, it will be (reasonably) comfortable.

 

 

If the shell of a boot holds your foot securely enough to transmit your movements directly to your ski and your ski's movement directly to you, it will perform well.

 

Numbers of buckles is meaningless in a discussion of 'Comfort' and 'Performance'... they matter only when it's time to put the boot on or take it off, that's it.

post #3 of 12

Do yourself and your skiing a huge favor and find a boot fitter.  From what little information I can find it appears the Proton was built on a 101mm last, but you may actually need something wider or narrower than that.  The Dalbello Krypton is built on a 98mm last so it's narrower than your current boot.  Keep in mind the Virus is made for use with AT bindings so it won't work with your current bindings.  Check the list in the Boot Fitting forum and see who there is in your area or ask in that forum if anyone knows a fitter in your area.  It's the most important investment you make in ski gear so do it right.

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Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post

Do yourself and your skiing a huge favor and find a boot fitter.  From what little information I can find it appears the Proton was built on a 101mm last, but you may actually need something wider or narrower than that.  The Dalbello Krypton is built on a 98mm last so it's narrower than your current boot.  Keep in mind the Virus is made for use with AT bindings so it won't work with your current bindings.  Check the list in the Boot Fitting forum and see who there is in your area or ask in that forum if anyone knows a fitter in your area.  It's the most important investment you make in ski gear so do it right.

 

Thanks MT,

 

it's hard to hard a boot fitter in NJ, if there's one in the whole state I'd be surprised. When it comes to boots my knowledge is limited to say the least. But thank you for the advice. I didn't notice the Virus being at AT binging only boot.
 

 

I'll have to ask around.. I want to get this perfect.

 

thanks,

 

 

post #5 of 12

The two-buckle design is starting to catch on.  The reasons are simple; just look at a 4-buckle boot: the very last buckle at the toe simply keeps the water out, and the very top buckle at the shin is becoming redundant with today's more substantial straps.

 

I do not know much about the Proton, but I have worked with the livefit.  If you have a WIIIDE foot, the livefit is your boot, although the 120 is probably a bit stiff (don't fall victim to the two-buckle-soft-illusion).  Having said that, please see a bootfitter.  If you need to find one, I know a few in CT that would probably be within a day's drive - PM me.

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In regard to boot fitters... Should I buy the boot at my ski shop and then go to a fitter ? or go to a fitter who sells boots.. I mean I want the right boot but I also am not going to pay 700$ for a boot my local shop can get me for 400$ since they know me..

 

just wondering

post #7 of 12

It's not likely that there will be all that much difference in pricing between your local shop and a fitter for the same boot. The fitter will (within reason) generally include all the services in the price of the boot. If you buy locally then go to the fitter, obviously he will charge you for the work and the pricing difference may all come out in the wash. Also, you may get better guidance from the fitter as far as the correct boot to start with.

 

On the comfort thing..........

 

There are different levels of comfort. There is cushy comfort, (big shell+soft liner) then there is support comfort (snug shell+firm liner) better skiers tend to prefer the latter. Box stores and some ski shops tend to sell the cush, bootfitters tend to sell the support. Guess which type of fit offers the performance.

 

SJ

post #8 of 12

the major advantage to the cabrio designs is it lets you flex your ankle joint alot. To some people who dont have much dorsi flexion this can actually be a disadvantage, also some people just plain dont like the feel.

 

The affect for me as a cabrio boot skier is I feel I ski off trail with tons less energy and less jarring because my legs can act more like shock absorbers.

 

post #9 of 12
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Thanks MT,

 

it's hard to hard a boot fitter in NJ, if there's one in the whole state I'd be surprised. When it comes to boots my knowledge is limited to say the least.

 

 



There is a very good boot fitter at Heino's ski shop... It is located near Wayne, but it is on the south side of RT 23... Phone: 973-696-3044....

Ask for Greg.

post #10 of 12
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There is a very good boot fitter at Heino's ski shop... It is located near Wayne, but it is on the south side of RT 23... Phone: 973-696-3044....

Ask for Greg.

thank you very much that's only 45 minutes away from me.. I'll have to call and set up an appointment with him..
 

post #11 of 12

Well,GL..

post #12 of 12
Thread Starter 

Update.

 

 

I spent well over an hour with Greg today at Heino's ski shop  http://www.heinosskiandcycle.com/  and I am so impressed. The whole "real" boot fitting process is an art and Greg is great at what he does. I walked out of the shop with a pair of Atomic Hawx 110.  The price was good but I could have cared less the whole experience was so impressive and he made it feel like the boot chose me.

 

I thank everyone for their insight, and Andy thank you very much for the contact information.

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