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post #1 of 24
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Hi, I'm looking to get a new ski. It's going to be a one ski quiver pretty much, I only plan to bring out my Salomon Foils to bash off rocks.

 

I am 6'4", 160 lbs, ski as much trees, moguls and pow as possible (avoid as much groomed stuff as I can), and am pretty aggressive. I own 174 Foils right now, the skis I had before that were ~2004 1080's. I just like twintips for fooling around, but don't carve backwards or do rails or any of that park rat stuff. I am moving to BC for the winter, so there should be a good amount of pow days.

 

I need a ski that's pretty flexible given my weight, and I'd be comfortable on a ~185 set. I haven't demo'd any skis in a while, so I'm not sure what I will like out of the current line-ups. With my 85mm underfoot of my current skis, I can't float in 12" of pow, so I'm thinking that >100mm is what I shouuld be looking for.

 

Any ideas? I've heard good things about the Shogun and S7, but I feel like I'm crusin for a bruisin taking the marketing speak at face value.

 

ps: sorry for typos, firefox won't play nice with this forum's post maker, and I'm spoiled by its spellchecker.

post #2 of 24

!!!

You don't need skis as much as you need CHEESEBURGERS!

 

6'4 and 160 lbs, c'mon man.

post #3 of 24

Yeah, you're making me feel bad. I am 6'3" and 225 pounds. Guess I will be eating rice cakes for the next couple of months.

post #4 of 24

Get 195cm Line Motherships. I ski Volkl AC4/50 in 184cm and there was no learning curve at all going to the Motherships at 111mm underfoot. They instantly improved my powder skiing ability and felt very similar at speed to my ACs on firm groomed snow.

post #5 of 24

160 pounds ≠ 195 Motherships.

 

The good news is that at your weight, you have a lot of options, and don't necessarily need to go with something fat to get float.  An Armada JJ might be a good option, actually.

 

Critical question, though:  Where do you ski?

post #6 of 24

1080's and Foils - you really like floppy skis, huh?  Pocket Rockets would fit right in there too as playful Salomon twintips.  I've ridden all 3, and they bend pretty easy (must be that foam core).  I'm 6'5" and 195#, but I was your size back in the day.

 

I checked around on your other posts, and you are a Level 1 instructor, right?  Might be helpful to get some slightly stiffer skis for a 1 ski quiver in BC.  Look up the crazy 88's post from a few days ago for some good choices.  Some slight early rise (tip rocker) might be in order for those powder days.  My biased recommendation is for some Watea 94 or 101's in 185 cm.  Wide enough for decent float and able to carve deeper trenches on the packed than the noodles you've been skiing.

 

Good luck on your adventure this winter.

post #7 of 24

You might browse this thread to get some ideas.

 

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/92748/western-daily-drivers-in-the-90-100mm-range

 

SJ

post #8 of 24

good quiver from Sierrajim...

maybe you have to put the fischer watea 94 and a scott pure in your list...

post #9 of 24

Watea 94s would probably do ya good.  Given your weight, I recommend the 188 Moment Tahoes.  181 Icelantic Nomad SFT might be great too.  What is your price range? 

post #10 of 24
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Originally Posted by TheDad View Post

160 pounds ≠ 195 Motherships.

 

The good news is that at your weight, you have a lot of options, and don't necessarily need to go with something fat to get float.  An Armada JJ might be a good option, actually.

 

Critical question, though:  Where do you ski?


For the past decade or so I've skiied at Mount st. Louis, your regular 500' ontario wonder. Last winter I made it out to Mt. St. Anne, le Massif (Massif is way better fyi), and Jay Peak. This year, I'm pretty sure I'm going to Kicking Horse for the winter, but it all depends on job prospects, accomodations etc.

 

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Originally Posted by SpikeDog View Post

1080's and Foils - you really like floppy skis, huh?  Pocket Rockets would fit right in there too as playful Salomon twintips.  I've ridden all 3, and they bend pretty easy (must be that foam core).  I'm 6'5" and 195#, but I was your size back in the day.

 

I checked around on your other posts, and you are a Level 1 instructor, right?  Might be helpful to get some slightly stiffer skis for a 1 ski quiver in BC.  Look up the crazy 88's post from a few days ago for some good choices.  Some slight early rise (tip rocker) might be in order for those powder days.  My biased recommendation is for some Watea 94 or 101's in 185 cm.  Wide enough for decent float and able to carve deeper trenches on the packed than the noodles you've been skiing.

 

Good luck on your adventure this winter.



I am a level 1 instructor, but I'm hoping to not have to use that card this year in favour or more hill time. I've actually been surprised how well I can carve the 1080's, that's pretty much why I never moved off them, they were a good swiss army knife. I found them better for carving with my ski style than my brother's crossmax W12, though him using them could beat me any day of the week.

 

I am looking to get away from the foam core sollys though, they seem to get progressively more floppy as time goes on.
 

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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

You might browse this thread to get some ideas.

 

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/92748/western-daily-drivers-in-the-90-100mm-range

 

SJ



I'll take a look, thanks
 

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Originally Posted by hiplainsdrifter View Post

Watea 94s would probably do ya good.  Given your weight, I recommend the 188 Moment Tahoes.  181 Icelantic Nomad SFT might be great too.  What is your price range? 


 

Price isn't too important, I just want a ski that I will love. Anything under $1000 with bindings is fine.

 

So, my current reading list is:

Armada JJ

Watea 94, 101

188 Moment Tahoe

181 Icelantic Nomad SFT

 

Thanks guys, keep the ideas coming

post #11 of 24

Aaah, much more info.

 

I'd add 182 Moment Belafontes to your list over the 188 Tahoes.

 

And 178 DPS Wailer 112RPs.

post #12 of 24



Same here.  The Mothers in 195 cm grab well on hard given their width and destroy crud and heavy powder.  IMO they are easy to turn and super stable at speed - they want to be driven. I am 215 lbs so the longer ski works well for me  The 185cm MS might be better for your weight.  Blizzard Answers in 184cm are fun in soft snow and turn easy in trees for me, but the slightly reverse camber doesn't lend the ski to all mountain cruising duties if you spend much time on piste.  The Answer is an off-piste soft conditions specialty ski that can handle groomers adequately but not as well as a Mothership.  Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassina View Post

Get 195cm Line Motherships. I ski Volkl AC4/50 in 184cm and there was no learning curve at all going to the Motherships at 111mm underfoot. They instantly improved my powder skiing ability and felt very similar at speed to my ACs on firm groomed snow.



However, if you want flexible given you weight, the Mothers are probably a bad choice.  The Answers are soft for me.


Edited by altabrig - 10/19/10 at 9:59am
post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by angrysasquatch View Post

 

Price isn't too important, I just want a ski that I will love. Anything under $1000 with bindings is fine.

 

So, my current reading list is:

Armada JJ

Watea 94, 101

188 Moment Tahoe

181 Icelantic Nomad SFT

 

Thanks guys, keep the ideas coming


I approve this reading list. You might as well toss in S7's (aside from the Rossi Fanboi stuff - it is a good ski), ON3P Billy Goats and probably the Icelantic Shaman to round everything out. Have a great time in BC this winter!

post #14 of 24

Given the 'price is no issue approach', you might wanna check out something from DPS.  I LOOOOOVE my Wailer 95 carbons.  W95, W105, and W112 would all be great, just pick whether you want more pow or more hardpack performance.  My current 'reading list' is 191 PM Gear Lhasa Pows and 186 ON3P Viciks.  Both seem like they will be more versatile than something like the S7 or Billy Goat (which I own and love).  Moment Belafonte is in the same category.

post #15 of 24

The Solomon Gun in a 188 might work for you, check out EVO outlet

post #16 of 24
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I'm starting to seriously consider these Icelantic Nomad SFT's, seems like it's exactly made for me. Soft for light guys, 110 underfoot (their advertised specs are incorrect), great at pow, playful, not amazing on piste. Perfect!

 

edit: tough bases too. I'm good at mangling those :P

post #17 of 24
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Originally Posted by angrysasquatch View Post

I'm starting to seriously consider these Icelantic Nomad SFT's, seems like it's exactly made for me. Soft for light guys, 110 underfoot (their advertised specs are incorrect), great at pow, playful, not amazing on piste. Perfect!

 

edit: tough bases too. I'm good at mangling those :P



they are good skis actually better on piste than your giving them credit for.

 

I think that rocker stuff should not be overlooked though. The Nomad skis powder pretty good IMO but compared to even a slight rockered design like the Blizzard "The Answer" they really dont compare at all.

post #18 of 24
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Originally Posted by angrysasquatch View Post

 

edit: tough bases too. I'm good at mangling those :P

 

You hit a rock, any base will crater.  Don't pick a ski based on that.

 

I've got nothing but luv for the 1080's.  My wife and youngest son still ride them, but they're only getting in about 5 days a season.  Great all around do-anything twin-tip ski with some snap, and soooo much better than what they were skiing with before.  At this point, however, they just don't know any better.

 

post #19 of 24
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Originally Posted by SpikeDog View Post



 

You hit a rock, any base will crater.  Don't pick a ski based on that.

 

I've got nothing but luv for the 1080's.  My wife and youngest son still ride them, but they're only getting in about 5 days a season.  Great all around do-anything twin-tip ski with some snap, and soooo much better than what they were skiing with before.  At this point, however, they just don't know any better.

 



Uh, no.  Clearly you haven't skied many different base types.  I have totally hammered rocks on Moment bases and only got shallow scratches, but on Karhu or Line bases, I have gotten core shots off rocks that I barely felt.  Not all bases are created equal, and if you want your skis to last a while, you will shop for durability.

post #20 of 24
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post





they are good skis actually better on piste than your giving them credit for.

 

I think that rocker stuff should not be overlooked though. The Nomad skis powder pretty good IMO but compared to even a slight rockered design like the Blizzard "The Answer" they really dont compare at all.


How much float does an average rocker get you? Is it like 50% more float for the same surface area? Would a 18x Shogun (100 underfoot) have similar float to the Nomads with 110 underfoot? I haven't skiied anything over ~85 underfoot, so floating in general is all a bit new to me.

 

On that note, I am surprised nobody has mentioned the Shoguns. I was sortta dead set on those about a month ago, do they have some notable deficiency? I'm not trying to justify them to myself or anything, I'm just surprised that they haven't had a mention as they seem to tick all the boxes.

post #21 of 24
Thread Starter 

What about bindings? I would think with my low weight, I probably don't need the absolute top end bindings. I'm pretty sure I run a din of about 7. I'm looking for regular alpine bindings, it doesn't need to do crosscountry stuff. Any thoughts on bindings that are adjustable fore-aft? It would be nice, but I worry about the extra weight. I've had good times on Salomon bindings in the past, the Atomics I have on my current skis I'm not such a fan of (finish chips off easily and it looks like crap).

post #22 of 24
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Originally Posted by altabrig View Post



Same here.  The Mothers in 195 cm grab well on hard given their width and destroy crud and heavy powder.  IMO they are easy to turn and super stable at speed - they want to be driven. I am 215 lbs so the longer ski works well for me  The 185cm MS might be better for your weight.  Blizzard Answers in 184cm are fun in soft snow and turn easy in trees for me, but the slightly reverse camber doesn't lend the ski to all mountain cruising duties if you spend much time on piste.  The Answer is an off-piste soft conditions specialty ski that can handle groomers adequately but not as well as a Mothership.  Quote:



However, if you want flexible given you weight, the Mothers are probably a bad choice.  The Answers are soft for me.

 

 

 

        I must add that I drive my Motherships with 130 flex boots which I am sure must influence my ability to enjoy them and I did hear of a little guy (ski patroller) who enjoyes them too. So

        don't rule them out if you are not tall and heavy although the type of boots you have will influence how they handle. Try in the shorter 185cm length for a start.

 

 

 

 

 


 

post #23 of 24
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Originally Posted by hiplainsdrifter View Post





Uh, no.  Clearly you haven't skied many different base types.  I have totally hammered rocks on Moment bases and only got shallow scratches, but on Karhu or Line bases, I have gotten core shots off rocks that I barely felt.  Not all bases are created equal, and if you want your skis to last a while, you will shop for durability.

 

I have found that ski base durability has nothing to do with price as my K2 Public Enemys have a more durable base than my Volkl AC4s The AC4s are the better handling ski at speed though.


 

post #24 of 24

That is true, cost does not equal quality.  I am just saying, shop for quality. 

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