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Footbeds Under The Liners ?????????????

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 

A friend has Dalbello Krypton Cross boots with the silver thermofit Intuition liner. Based on discussions he had with several pros he had his liners remolded with the custom footbeds he had made under, not in the liner. He said the fit is much improved. Have any of you heard of this or have tried it ? If so - results ????????

 

Falcon_O aka Charlie

post #2 of 12

Well now that's a crock of crap!  Why would anyone think, a custom made footbed made in bare feet and molded to exactly match the skiers feet, would work better if you put 5mm of gushy foam between it and your feet?  I would find some new "pros"!    

 

Oh, and if his footbeds happened to be made of polyplast or any other heat activated material, he just ruined his footbeds when he molded the liners!

post #3 of 12

Did these "Pro's" also suggest mounting the bindings with bolts from the bases up? What are their thoughts on waxing the tops on the skis? 

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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

Did these "Pro's" also suggest mounting the bindings with bolts from the bases up? What are their thoughts on waxing the tops on the skis? 

post #5 of 12

Falcon,The points made by the experts are correct but I do know there are some Intuition users who like the fit of their liners without any footbed. Some models of Intuition are as firm as a soft footbed.

I think what your friend did effectively eliminated any of the foot specific benefit of the custom footbed and now it's just taking up space like any other insole.

post #6 of 12

While I can understand how someone might come to the conclusion that the foot bed would work just as well under the liner, it gives the effect of wearing very thick socks.  It will probably feel more snug because everything doesn't fit as neatly as it should and is taking up volume.  I have read threads at other sites claiming this too.  The fit might be improved because his boots are too big.  Just guessing.  He said the fit was better but was the control?

 

I believe anything under the liner would only address gross alignment (heel/toe lifts) and under the foot should be fine alignment.  I think I would go without a foot bed before I would put it under the liner.  I'm not sure that is correct but fine movements comes from the foot and not the liner.

 

I also think that if there was real benefit to this, boot fitters would be doing it because they would be able to charge close to the same but be done way quicker.

post #7 of 12
Thread Starter 

Thanks ALL for the discussion. I told him he was Fing Nuts !!! The points the rest of you made were much more civilized and informative.

 

Falcon_O aka Charlie

post #8 of 12

Bud,

 

I ask without particular knowledge of foot bed materials, are most 'custom' footbeds not some kind of thermal material? and what would be the 'better' choice for a "Intuition" setup?

 

"Oh, and if his footbeds happened to be made of polyplast or any other heat activated material, he just ruined his footbeds when he molded the liners!"

 

 

Stephen

post #9 of 12

 

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Bud,

 

I ask without particular knowledge of foot bed materials, are most 'custom' footbeds not some kind of thermal material? and what would be the 'better' choice for a "Intuition" setup?

 

"Oh, and if his footbeds happened to be made of polyplast or any other heat activated material, he just ruined his footbeds when he molded the liners!"

 

 

Stephen

 

I believe instaprint beds would hold up to that temperature, although it would depend on the glue you used to hold the posting on.  Not sure on this though; I'll test it when I get home from the office (unless Bud already knows).  I know the old cork-suction-bag insole system can't do it; those flatten down on warm spring days, never mind in the heater.

 

Are these the same pros who keep telling people to put the heel wedge ON TOP of the footbed?  If one more of those walks into the shop, I'ma lose my mind.

post #10 of 12

As long as the footbed is good up to around 250* F for 2 minutes or less I would think they would be fine during the molding of an Intuition/Thermoflex liner.  I haven't had any problems with Superfeet or Conform'able footbeds in this regard.

 

Anyhow, OP thanks for the good laugh.  It really is amazing how some people completely miss some basic understanding of proper boot setup.

post #11 of 12
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Originally Posted by mdechristopher View Post

I know the old cork-suction-bag insole system can't do it; those flatten down on warm spring days, never mind in the heater.

 



That hasn't been my experience.  It takes 250* F for about 5 minutes to really make any noticeable change in a Superfeet footbed and get the Kork material moving.

 

BTW - I've worked with the Superfeet Kork probably over 50 times now building both custom bootboards and my own version of Superfeet footbeds.

post #12 of 12

if you can get a kork footbed and an intuition liner into your boot comfortably..........

 

i am just saying

 

jim

 

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