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Replace Salomon Lords ?

post #1 of 7
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Hi Guys,

 

Sorry for my bad english. I'm from the netherlands.

 

Last year i bought a pair of Salomon lord's 185cm. I'm 186cm and 85kg and i found the ski a bit dissapointing. But i also have to say i had major problem whit my shoes (wrong canting my knees where force inside) and the conditions where bad (ice/hardpack).

 

I found it really hard to carve them, to put them on their sides. This could also be explained tru the boots that where forcing my knees inwards and the bad snow. But they feeld quite stiff also, i couldnt felx them. Also on  bumps and off piste treeruns they feel bit (too) long an stuff, absolutly not playefull. Last day there was some fresch snow and on soft prepared groomers is swa them flex for the first time ! That was a good mornig. But when the fresh was gone to crud and moguls they where again very difficult.

 

What type of skier am I:

 

- Recrational skier to Sportive skier (ski for 10 years now age: 27

- Like to go fast on the groomers

-Like to catch some powder and go a bit off piste a litte bit , small treeruns etc. But nothing spectacular mostly i ride alone and without saftey (avalanche) gear. For me 10-15 cm fresh on the piste is also powder.

-Play around on piste when i hive to ride with the kids. Try riding switch, smlal jumps, but you wont see me in the park for sure.

 

I only have reference to som hired ski's. The one's i can remeber good are the Elan Magfire en the Salomon foil 1080.Magfire is a great speed-ski and the Foil 1080 where pretty playfull en good fo a little bit offpiste. But i know by now that 1 pair o ski is not the best . I thought i had that wit the lord's , maybe i do if i go back to 177cm.

 

But know i was thinking of the followig setup:

 

- Head magnum supershape (slalom ski)

- Foil 1080 twintip ( fun ski)

 

I can use the Head skis in the morning when there is a lot of ice and hardpack to work on my technic. Later when the moguls arisse and the crud i can take the foils to play a bit in the bumps. And on powder days when the groomers are not prepared i take the foils right away. Or when i have a "play-day".

 

But i read that the foils where not so good in crud. That is pointing me to a magfire 12 or a atomic blackeye nomad i think. But a set of Foils & magfire is a bit pity i think. Then i can better go for more difference in the set and look for a real slalom/carve & twintip/powder(behinner) ski 

 

Or just go back to one quiver lord 177cm? Or more practice en keep the 185cm? Schould i have been able with 25 weeks of practice to ski the 185cm smooth?

 

Im getting crazy of this search. What do you think and what do you advise? I really prefer to look too old cheap models. I can get the foil (2007) new for 190 euro with binding now

post #2 of 7

First off, I'd say if you aren't happy with the ski you got, and you've given it a whole season to figure out, then no sense keeping it.  I'm not sure the solution would be to go to a 177cm version of the same ski?  That may help in moguls, but probably hurt in powder.  Less surface area.

 

As a recreational skier, that doesn't go in the powder too much, I don't see any reason why you couldn't get by with just one ski.  Maybe the Lord isn't the right one for you, but all around the Foil probably isn't either.  That's an older design anyway, and you've demoed it and know already it wasn't for everything.  But if you go with the Atomic Nomad or Magfire, you lose that playfullness the twin tip offers.

 

Probably in your situation I would continue demoeing until you find just the right one, so you don't waste money on the wrong one again like the Lord.  Of course it's more fun to buy the ski before the season (I do), but if you're going to have only one ski, you want the right one.  Keep demoing, and focus on other twin tips I'd say.  Dynastars twins have always been good at shredding groomers and playful at the same time.  My new Kneissl Fly Stars look like they will do the same, though I haven't skied them yet.  They are built like a groomer slayer, but a full twin tip.  They have similar dimensions to the Salomon Lord, but come in a 183...

post #3 of 7
Thread Starter 

Thank you for youre reply.

 

 

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 First off, I'd say if you aren't happy with the ski you got, and you've given it a whole season to figure out, then no sense keeping it.   

 

To make things clear . I live in the Netherlands and i have to drive 1000 km eats to see some mounains. So i'm lucky when i have a season of 3 weeks sking. Mostly we go 1 full week and maybe 2 or three times a (long) weekend. But last year i only went a full week. So i only tested the Lord's for seven days. 

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Than you for youre answer. But to make thing clear. I live in the Netherlands and we have to drive at least 1000km to see the first Mountains. So if we ski 3 full weeks you have a "good" season. Mostl;y we go one full week en maybe 2-4 long weekends. Last year i only went one holiday week, so teste the Lord's for only seven day's.....

 

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Originally Posted by FujativeOCR View Post

First off, I'd say if you aren't happy with the ski you got, and you've given it a whole season to figure out, then no sense keeping it.  I'm not sure the solution would be to go to a 177cm version of the same ski?                   

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Originally Posted by PIetjo View PostBut i also have to say i had major problem whit my shoes (wrong canting my knees where force inside) and the conditions where bad (ice/hardpack).

 

I found it really hard to carve them, to put them on their sides. This could also be explained tru the boots that where forcing my knees inwards and the bad snow.

 

I demo'd the Lord 185's last Spring on mostly ice/hardpack, played with them on moguls, and ran around everywhere with them. I liked them so much, I just bought a pair. I'm about 184 cm tall, and about 75 kg, and I love the Lords. You're heavier than me, so I wouldn't think the length is too long for you. You said you're having a major problem with your boots? I'd say that could be a MAJOR contributing factor.

 

I found them to be a joy to carve, BUT I must emphasize that with the Lord, you have to really put some muscle into them. Put more strength into your outside ski when turning, and you might notice a difference. They were also slow when riding flat, you need to edge them hard.

 

I'd give them another chance, maybe take a  private lesson using them where an instructor can tell you how to more properly utilize your skis.

 

Skis are a personal preference, so in the end, they may not end up being the right ski for YOU. Skiing's supposed to be fun, so ski what you enjoy the most. People are all shaped differently, have different strengths and weaknesses, and there are so many types of skis out there, that it really does come down to what you like. The Lord 185 may seem like one of the best skis in the world to me, but I've seen others who did not like them much at all.

 

Good luck, and I hope you end up enjoying your Lords after all!

post #6 of 7

It sounds like your beef with the solly lords is their hard snow performance. I have a pair of lords and I generally restrict it's use to softer western (US) snow. It's one of my favorite skis for places like Taos (steep bumps). Very forgiving with a low upper speed limit - but acceptable with the soft snow. 

 

Back east (VT) - took the lords out on hard snow (ice) once and never again. Very scary experience. Not enough torsional rigidity coupled with a soft flex - pops out of the groove on hard pack & ice. Need really soft feet to keep them in the groove. Atomic & Volkl are much better hard snow skis. The Atomic blackeye is a good laid back ski that works on the hard pack. Not bad in the bumps. If Atomic & volkl are too stiff - Nordica have some very nice boards also.

 

Also consider taking lessons. Most common mistake made on skis is pilot error. 

        

 

 

 

 

    

post #7 of 7
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Originally Posted by FujativeOCR View Post

 

 

Probably in your situation I would continue demoeing until you find just the right one, so you don't waste money on the wrong one again like the Lord. 
 

 

I bought the Lord's cheap from a freind but they where in really good conditions. I also like to have my own set of ski's so that i can explore them en grow with them. Also the whole circus of rent a ski en try out i don't do annymore. Then you have to find a good ski shop who want's to really help you. But most of the time (expecialy in high seoson) they dont have time for you and they think verry economic. Couple off years ago they charged me after bringin a ski back more than 3 times and they were very rude. So i really prefer my own material.

 

 

 

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 As a recreational skier, that doesn't go in the powder too much, I don't see any reason why you couldn't get by with just one ski.  Maybe the Lord isn't the right one for you, but all around the Foil probably isn't either.  That's an older design anyway, and you've demoed it and know already it wasn't for everything.  But if you go with the Atomic Nomad or Magfire, you lose that playfullness the twin tip offers. 

 

So a slalom ski with a twintip would be a good start i think. And yes i demoed the foils as you said. I really liked them. But people tellin me is doesnt peform well in crud. Bu ik couldn't remeber that. I thought they handeled pretty wel.

 

Anyway. Ski lesson or a clinic is also a good idea. Thank you for youre input!

 

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