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IQ Max Slider Binding Mount Question - Blizzard Answer

post #1 of 19
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I looked around previous threads and couldn't answer this one.

 

SJ or anyone,

 

Where should a pair of Dukes be mounted on the slider for the Blizzard Answer to maximize the versatility considering the Answer has only one hole in the topsheet to secure the slider?  Also, the centerpoint of the Answer is quite a bit forward of the screw hole in the topsheet.

 

My Blizzard Atlas have two holes in the topsheet and the Looks are mounted slightly forward on the slider.  The Looks and slider secured to the aft top sheet hole are currently dead center on the Atlas, but would be a bit aft on the one holed answer.  Both binding set ups will be used on both skis. 

 

My question is "should  I mount the Dukes forward on the new slider for the Answer to maximize the versatility of the binding fore and aft on the ski or just have them mounted dead center on the slider?"

 

Thanks.  The other binding mount and Blizzard Answer threads couldn't solve my dilemna.

 

AB

post #2 of 19
Thread Starter 

anyone?

post #3 of 19

I have the slider mounted on my Blizzard Atlas's at the center mounting point on the ski. I can then move the slider forward or backward to arrive at forward of the center or aft of the center.There are seven holes on the slider so you have choice of how far forward or aft you want to go. Great feature of the system.

post #4 of 19

have a pair of 184 answers, mount em right in hole, dead center would feel way forward

post #5 of 19

I know "the answer"!

 

bascially blizzard screwed up and didnt think about duke compatibility with the system.  and makes it so it works but you can not adjust the binding fore and aft.

 

If your able to get the whole duke binding to line up on the slider plate thats news to me, as we(me and whiteroom) were not able to. Some joint brainstorming led to this. Finding a machine screw that could thread into the insert on the blizzard ski but be long enough to get over the plate and binding. basically the screw holds both in.

 

33722_448098258356_505253356_5174576_2890140_n.jpg

 

BTW I dont think the guys above know the issues of a duke binding on to a blizzard slider plate. My pair is in fact the only pair that I have seen in person mounted with dukes.

post #6 of 19
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Thanks for the crucial information and photo.  AWESOME.

 

I was going to  mount the Dukes slightly forward and leave the center screw out to access the slider as some recommend on TGR, but I think I will explore the machine screw all the way down.   Leaving the center screw out would allow for some adjustability.  Did you line up the Duke center screw with the first or second slider plate hole from the front?

 

I am at a loss to figure out why Blizzard didn't engineer the slider to accomodate the Duke/Baron slackcountry binding.  Heck, they sold the integrated Duke slider for the old IQ.

 

BWinPA is your Answer/Duke set up balanced for you personally - not too far back?

post #7 of 19
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Originally Posted by thebro View Post

have a pair of 184 answers, mount em right in hole, dead center would feel way forward



Do you mean centered on the slider?  The slider locks in behind the ski's center line.  I em not sure what you mean by right in the hole.  The one hole in the topsheet for securing the slider?

post #8 of 19
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Originally Posted by altabrig View Post

Thanks for the crucial information and photo.  AWESOME.

 

I was going to  mount the Dukes slightly forward and leave the center screw out to access the slider as some recommend on TGR, but I think I will explore the machine screw all the way down.   Leaving the center screw out would allow for some adjustability.  Did you line up the Duke center screw with the first or second slider plate hole from the front?

 

I am at a loss to figure out why Blizzard didn't engineer the slider to accomodate the Duke/Baron slackcountry binding.  Heck, they sold the integrated Duke slider for the old IQ.

 

BWinPA is your Answer/Duke set up balanced for you personally - not too far back?


you need to mount the the center of the duke to something. the center screw on the duke keeps the entire binding from sliding for and aft. if you choose not to mount it like I have it. the binding/ski will be unuseable.  Basically if you want a duke on a slider plate your going to lose for and aft adjustabilty or its not going to work. 

 

Let me repeat this. The center screw on the duke needs to be solidly mounted or the whole system wont work.

 

as for balanced. this is actually "the one" but it has the same basic setup. I tested it with another binding on slider first to find out where I wanted it and ended up right in the middle so that where I had them mounted.

 

 

post #9 of 19

^^^^ I tend to be a BOF guy, but the Blizzards I've skied with slider plates seem to do best with "factory" settings, eg, just what BW says. Incidentally, think this is genius solution , kudos to BW and Whiteroom. Main point that's hard for people who haven't owned Blizzard to get is that the "slider" plate doesn't. Rather, it sits still and the ski flexes, "slides" around it. So there's no way you can have the plate fixed at more than a center point without compromising ski flex; essentially then you're just mounting a solid plate to a ski. Maybe the guys at TRG think that's acceptable compromise; can't say.

 

BW, what is unclear from the picture is whether you and Whiteroom fixed the Duke to the plate at any other points besides the center using some non-projective connection, or if you just let the side rails keep the Duke in place. Put another way, how does one mount point for a Duke prevent rotary wiggling within the rails? (Or wherever it sits relative to the rails; can't quite tell from above.)

post #10 of 19
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post

^^^^ I tend to be a BOF guy, but the Blizzards I've skied with slider plates seem to do best with "factory" settings, eg, just what BW says. Incidentally, think this is genius solution , kudos to BW and Whiteroom. Main point that's hard for people who haven't owned Blizzard to get is that the "slider" plate doesn't. Rather, it sits still and the ski flexes, "slides" around it. So there's no way you can have the plate fixed at more than a center point without compromising ski flex; essentially then you're just mounting a solid plate to a ski. Maybe the guys at TRG think that's acceptable compromise; can't say.

 

BW, what is unclear from the picture is whether you and Whiteroom fixed the Duke to the plate at any other points besides the center using some non-projective connection, or if you just let the side rails keep the Duke in place. Put another way, how does one mount point for a Duke prevent rotary wiggling within the rails? (Or wherever it sits relative to the rails; can't quite tell from above.)



I may not totally understanding your question.....but this might be the answer.

 

The center screw is not only holding the the center duke screw in a solid place so that the binding literally doesnt fly off the rails, but it is also holding the slider plate from moving for and aft.

 

if your asking if there is any slop in the IQ system there is none. 

 

the duke was mounted to the slider plate as if the plate was any other ski. It was then mounted to the ski with the one machine screw. 

 

You can still use the plates for tranfering the binding to other skis, IE I could take this duke on that plate and mount it to any IQ blizzard.

post #11 of 19
Thread Starter 

What plate hole did you go through on the plate with the machine screw when you mounted the Dukes? 1st or second from front?

 

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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post

I know "the answer"!

 

bascially blizzard screwed up and didnt think about duke compatibility with the system.  and makes it so it works but you can not adjust the binding fore and aft.

 

If your able to get the whole duke binding to line up on the slider plate thats news to me, as we(me and whiteroom) were not able to. Some joint brainstorming led to this. Finding a machine screw that could thread into the insert on the blizzard ski but be long enough to get over the plate and binding. basically the screw holds both in.

 

33722_448098258356_505253356_5174576_2890140_n.jpg

 

BTW I dont think the guys above know the issues of a duke binding on to a blizzard slider plate. My pair is in fact the only pair that I have seen in person mounted with dukes.

post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post





I may not totally understanding your question.....but this might be the answer.

 

The center screw is not only holding the the center duke screw in a solid place so that the binding literally doesnt fly off the rails, but it is also holding the slider plate from moving for and aft.

 

if your asking if there is any slop in the IQ system there is none. 

 

the duke was mounted to the slider plate as if the plate was any other ski. It was then mounted to the ski with the one machine screw. 

 

You can still use the plates for tranfering the binding to other skis, IE I could take this duke on that plate and mount it to any IQ blizzard.

Thanks, you actually answered it well. 
 

post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by altabrig View Post

What plate hole did you go through on the plate with the machine screw when you mounted the Dukes? 1st or second from front?

 


 


there were 5 holes on the plate and mine is mounted dead center.

post #14 of 19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post




there were 5 holes on the plate and mine is mounted dead center.



Thanks.  Does the topsheet on the One have one or two holes?  The Answer only has one tapped far aft of center.  I think I will use your method with the longer machine screw, but also add a heli-coil on center so the Answer will have two holes like the Atlas and still have two position options. 

 

Not sure why Blizzard only put one hole in the Answer and didn't make the sliders out of the box compatible with the Dukes even though they engineered a Duke base plate with Marker to fit the previous IQ generation slider?

 

Oh yeah, BW, does the machine screw have a deep shoulder like the stock IQ screw or is it a standard machine head?  All I could find yesterday was a regular machine head.  The metric screw threads, I believe, are M5.  Did you go with a 16 or 18 screw length?  I wouldn't remember that, so I don't really expect an aswer on the screw length.  Looks like the 16 will find purchase in the topsheet female threads.  The M5-16 is probably 3/8 longer than the stock slider screw.

 

Interesting about your plate only having 5 holes.  The Atlas and Answer plates both came with 7 holes.

 

Thank you everyone for the input.

 

post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by altabrig View Post





Thanks.  Does the topsheet on the One have one or two holes?  The Answer only has one tapped far aft of center.  I think I will use your method with the longer machine screw, but also add a heliocoil on center so the Answer will have two holes like the Atlas and still have two position options. 

 

Not sure why Blizzard only put one hole in the Answer and didn't make the sliders out of the box compatible with the Dukes even though they engineered a Duke base plate with Marker to fit the previous IQ generation slider?

 

Oh yeah, BW, does the machine screw have a deep shoulder like the stock IQ screw or is it a standard machine head?  All I could find yesterday was a regular machine head.  The metric screw threads, I believe, are M5.  Did you go with a 16 or 18 screw length?  I wouldn't remember that, so I don't really expect an aswer on the screw length.  Looks like the 16 will find purchase in the topsheet female threads.  The M5-16 is probably 3/8 longer than the stock slider screw.

 

Interesting about your plate only having 5 holes.  The Atlas and Answer plates both came with 7 holes.

 

Thank you everyone for the input.

 

 


hey let me check when I get home tonight ok, I could have swore it was 5 hole but I could be wrong.

 

I am 100 percent sure that there is only mount hole in "the one"

 

but again my stuff is preproduction untill I see this years stuff in person I wont know what if any differences there is.

post #16 of 19
Thread Starter 

Ok.  Thanks.  I am a little nervous about throwing in the helicoil on center.  Blizzard may have designed the skis with only one hole to be driven from behind center.

post #17 of 19

You can easily add another hole with a heli w/o worrying about the integrity of the ski. 

post #18 of 19
Thread Starter 


Thanks for the vote of confidence.  The one hole on the answer is about 6 cm back.  Should I put the heli on center or slightly back?
 

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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

You can easily add another hole with a heli w/o worrying about the integrity of the ski. 

post #19 of 19
Thread Starter 

Ended up in the 2 back from the front of the slider then straight through with the M5 16 machine cap screw into the original topsheet hole per BW's post above.  That puts me 1.5cm back from center.  A lot of folks are going quite a bit further back on the Answer for softer deeper conditions.  I can always add another heli-coil if necessary fore or aft.

 

Thanks.  Answers now Duke/slackcountry ready. 

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