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Very, very happy with my decision to pick these up.


Are yours 189? What is your height/weight? 


Yes, 189.  I am about 6'3"/215.

post #32 of 47
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Very, very happy with my decision to pick these up.


Are yours 189? What is your height/weight? 


Yes, 189.  I am about 6'3"/215.


Interesting, I am 6', 189lb. and also got the 189.  On the only day I had on them so far they didn't feel too floppy for me either.

post #33 of 47
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Interesting, I am 6', 189lb. and also got the 189.  On the only day I had on them so far they didn't feel too floppy for me either.



I agree - they are fairly stiff under foot and get softer in the tips.  To be fair, I'm far from the hardest charger on the mountain, but at 215 I can definitely tell if I'm on a noodle when I'm bouncing down Cannonball.

post #34 of 47

Just an FYI. The word is that BH is moving production from China back to the US next year.

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Wow, will they keep the same pricing levels?  Hard to believe...

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Just an FYI. The word is that BH is moving production from China back to the US next year.

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Wow, will they keep the same pricing levels?  Hard to believe...

 

I suppose they could. I'm sure they'll be selling a ton more skis than last year, so they have economy of scale counterbalance the cost of US manufacturing. Very smart business move, IMO, even if the quality stays the same. Probably the biggest hurdle they have is the stereotype that factory direct internet purchases are inherently lower quality. Being able to claim US manufacturing will go a long ways towards shadowing that stereotype, increasing the volume of sales.

 

Saw a pair of brand new Shoots at Breckenridge this last weekend. First pair I've seen on the slopes.

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Just an FYI. The word is that BH is moving production from China back to the US next year.


This is really interesting to me, given Volkl. Could reflect some consumer sentiment about Chinese products, could reflect rising Chinese labor costs, could reflect government nudging out ski makes once China's got the technology figured out, could reflect cost/benefit analysis of symbolic premium of U.S. made indies vs. foreign made indies. What's next, 4-FRNT setting up in Idaho?

 

So, then: How many here will be significantly more likely to buy BH now? As in, wanted to before, but "nah, Chinese...?"

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Just an FYI. The word is that BH is moving production from China back to the US next year.


This is really interesting to me, given Volkl. Could reflect some consumer sentiment about Chinese products, could reflect rising Chinese labor costs, could reflect government nudging out ski makes once China's got the technology figured out, could reflect cost/benefit analysis of symbolic premium of U.S. made indies vs. foreign made indies. What's next, 4-FRNT setting up in Idaho?

 

So, then: How many here will be significantly more likely to buy BH now? As in, wanted to before, but "nah, Chinese...?"


I was talking to a ski shop owner who diligently reads various business magazines & he was concerned about Volkl & K2 move to China.  His noted that increased costs for energy in China and transportation to the US were off-setting much of the savings for labor in an automated ski plant.  His concern was K2 & Volkl have put their eggs all in one basket and have no exit plan if costs keep rising in China.

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Just an FYI. The word is that BH is moving production from China back to the US next year.


This is really interesting to me, given Volkl. Could reflect some consumer sentiment about Chinese products, could reflect rising Chinese labor costs, could reflect government nudging out ski makes once China's got the technology figured out, could reflect cost/benefit analysis of symbolic premium of U.S. made indies vs. foreign made indies. What's next, 4-FRNT setting up in Idaho?

 

So, then: How many here will be significantly more likely to buy BH now? As in, wanted to before, but "nah, Chinese...?"


I don't think you will find a TON on this particular board. I would be more inclined to buy from BH myself if the quality was good. But others are still under some impression that big manufacturers pressing overseas have some voodoo magic that can't be replicated my newer, smaller ski builders.

post #40 of 47

The press release stated "a considerable portion of production".

 

 

Your idea and their idea of what that entails, is probably far apart.

 

They may just press their prototypes in the states?

post #41 of 47

Finally mounted my Maestros and I love them got out on a relatively deep day and they performed great. 
 

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   I know of a few patrolers on the Maven and Maestro and have not heard of any delam'ing issues or any other cheap quality issues, only good things. I have a pair of Maestro's that I have yet to mount. A ski being  base high or base low is no issue at all get over it. Just the fact that they are made in China does not mean they are terrible, most skis are made in China now. I honestly do not know if I will like the Maestros but firsthand accounts would be more helpful then, "CHEAP CHINA SKI!!!"

post #42 of 47

I think every ski with that geometry will perform great on a deep day, any my Maestros did as well.  I am really curious how they would work on a day after with a good tune on them.  Should have a chance to report back on them after next weekend.  As a pure powder ski, those surely look like a bargain. I totally hate the graphics, it is FUGLY to say the least... 

 

Did you mount yours on the line- thats what a quick TGR scan suggested....
 

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Finally mounted my Maestros and I love them got out on a relatively deep day and they performed great. 
 

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Originally Posted by iceage View Post

   I know of a few patrolers on the Maven and Maestro and have not heard of any delam'ing issues or any other cheap quality issues, only good things. I have a pair of Maestro's that I have yet to mount. A ski being  base high or base low is no issue at all get over it. Just the fact that they are made in China does not mean they are terrible, most skis are made in China now. I honestly do not know if I will like the Maestros but firsthand accounts would be more helpful then, "CHEAP CHINA SKI!!!"


 


 

post #43 of 47

6'3" 190#

 

I've got nine days on my 189 Maestros and I'm so diggin' them.  If the snow is not hard I have no qualms about taking them anywhere.  They are way fun in the trees and simply amaze me in the bumps.  I've had no issues in crud.

 

I've never worked in a shop and I can only hope to be half the skier Samuri is but to me the bases look to have structure.  I put a straight edge on them when I got them (mine were from the first production run) and they looked flat to me.  I prefer my base edge at 0 so no prob there.  I've waxed them a few times but that's it.  Fast?  Well, I still pass most everyone on the runouts, just not as quickly as I do on my skinny skis.

 

There are a few chips in the top sheets but that's par for the course for me.

 

I also own a pair of 186 Districts from the first run.  They came flat and structured but I never made friends with them on the snow.

post #44 of 47

5'11" 170lbs

As far as a ski that I can grab and just head up the mountain, the MR fits the bill.  I was up yesterday and brought my Bent Chetlers instead though.  But for the season we have had in Tahoe so far, MR has been great.

post #45 of 47


I have taken them out in a few different conditions with a good tune and they are fun. With just 5" I was skiing hard through steep bumps and having a blast. But honestly unless it is a little deeper I would still prefer my Stokli DP's. 

 

I mounted them on the standard position, bluehouse's measurements. 

 

And to those asking sizing questions, the skis are really light. I am 5'10" 160-165 and the 189 turns like a 165 slalom ski in powder and crud. 

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I think every ski with that geometry will perform great on a deep day, any my Maestros did as well.  I am really curious how they would work on a day after with a good tune on them.  Should have a chance to report back on them after next weekend.  As a pure powder ski, those surely look like a bargain. I totally hate the graphics, it is FUGLY to say the least... 

 

Did you mount yours on the line- thats what a quick TGR scan suggested....
 


 

post #46 of 47

A full review is coming, but I want to add just a few additional points after logging more days on the fully-tuned Maestros.  

1. Despite BH reputations of making soft noodles, it is not soft underfoot and the low-slung tip handles cut-up snow very well, no deflection.  The ski is surprisingly demanding in a way that it hates backseat driving- ski it aggressively, and it will go through anything soft.  The tip rocker works, you can ski soft snow with a forward stance with no threat of tip dive.  

2. I don't like the rockered tail, but some tail is there if you need it. I think a more tapered tail would have been better. 

3. The tune didn't improve carving performance, the edge feeling is still very vague.  Now I am convinced that the ski is quite weak torsionally, so it does not lock onto an edge as a good metal laminate ski does.  This is not a carver (and neither it is intended to be).  

4. Damping is a weakness of this ski as well, so my legs get tired faster than they do on my Dynastar HT (which is a much heavier ski and technically a lot harder to turn).  

5. Proper base grind really improved glide, to the point that now they like to run from under me occasionally. 

6. Deep snow- there is no contest between HT and the Maestros, I'd take the Maestro every the time, rocker does make skiing deep snow a lot more fun.   HT is perhaps the best traditional geometry big-mountain fat ski ever built, and is quite amazing in all sorts of soft snow, so this statement is a testimony to the advantages of a rocker for powder skiing.

Overall- a lot of ski for the money, but I would like to own a ski with Bluehouse front geometry, less tail rocker, and a construction similar to the Dynastar. 

post #47 of 47
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4. Damping is a weakness of this ski as well, so my legs get tired faster than they do on my Dynastar HT (which is a much heavier ski and technically a lot harder to turn).  

 

Really old thread and I already have a bigger ski but might still take out my maestro's. 

 

I never felt that, do you still agree with this statement? At the time my only other "big" mid fat I owned was a Stockli DP and that was a much more physically intensive ski then the Maestro. Never skied on the HT but I didn't notice this damping issue. 

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