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Nordica hot rod vs speed machine, what is the difference?

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 

Hello,

 

I'm getting back into skiing after a few years snowboarding. My last pair of boots were Nordica 981's - booya! Anyway, I've tried on a bunch of different manufacturers boots and then I tried on a pair of Nordicas...and I laughed out loud. It was like meeting an old friend.

 

The store had a hot rod 95 which I found a bit soft so I am looking at ordering the 105. I tried on the 27.5 and it was a bit big so I tried on the 26.5 and it felt great, fit and snug, except I felt the top of the shell with my big toe on my right foot.

 

Here's the thing. We took the 26.5 liner out and I tried it on and it fit exactly like a sock. I mean there was no extra room at the end of the liner, my toes were right up to the end, not uncomfortably so, just exactly as a sock fits. Does that mean it is too small?

 

I only recently found out that Nordica makes a 27.0. Should I order that instead of the 26.5? (My bootfitter used to sell Nordicas last year but isn't bringing them in this year as they didn't sell well but they could order the exact size Nordica I want.)

 

Also, I am looking for an all-mountain boot, is the Nordica Speedmachine the same last at the hot rod series? Should I be looking at the Speedmachine instead of the hot rods?

 

Lastly (pun not intended), the only other boot I haven't tried on (I am waiting for them to arrive at our local bootfitter) is the Tecnica Pheonix 100 with the air shell. What is the 411 on this boot? I have heard good things but my feet don't have ears:)

 

Thanks for your help and any recommendations are eagerly awaited!

post #2 of 15

Hi Booya,

 

     I would recommend you read the Wiki at the top of this section on "how to shell fit a boot" to find out if it will fit correctly after break in.  Yes the liner by it's self would fit like a glove maybe even tighter if the boot is the correct size.  After heat molding the liner it will feel great.

 

     The great majority of folks who own boots are in a boot 2 sizes too big because they didn't want there toes to touch when they purchased them.  By the way a 27.0 and a 27.5 are exactly the same shell and liner in most brands and models---with the only difference being the thickness of the factory footbed, under the toes.

 

mike

post #3 of 15
Thread Starter 

Hi Mike,

 

The shell of the 26.5 fit nicely, they put a dowel behind my heel once I stepped in the boot without the liner in it. The 27.5 shell is 315mm and the 26.5 is 305. I'm not sure how long the 27.0 shell is, or the liner for that matter. I shall see if I can find out.

 

Thanks

 

post #4 of 15

please read the post above your last one, the 27.0 sell is the same as the 27.5 shell and the liner is the same in both, the only difference is the thickness of the stock insole!!!! the 27.0 shell will therefore be 315mm just like the 27.5

 

if they can get the fit dowel behind your heel you do not want to be in anything bigger than the 26.5

please get the 26.5 and not the 27 which will be 10mm longer and at best guess 10mm at least too long for your foot

post #5 of 15
Thread Starter 

Hi CEM,

 

Thanks for your imput. In the post you are citing Mike stated the 27 and 27.5 have the same shell and liner "in most brands and models" so I am trying to verify if this is the case with the Nordica hot rod 105. I have an email off to Nordica. Does anyone know this info?

post #6 of 15
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Originally Posted by Booya View Post

Hi CEM,

 

Thanks for your imput. In the post you are citing Mike stated the 27 and 27.5 have the same shell and liner "in most brands and models" so I am trying to verify if this is the case with the Nordica hot rod 105. I have an email off to Nordica. Does anyone know this info?


 THEY ARE THE SAME IN THAT MODEL AND 99% of all boots, the exception being the atomic B tech shells where the 26.5 and the 27.0 is 314mm the 27.5 and 28.0 is 324 this is pretty much the only exception so in that range you need the .0 rather than the .5 in the size range to get the shell size as expected

 

sorry to be short, but the sooner the manufactures educate the shops the better 

 

my worry is that someone in marketing will respond to your mail and try and tell you they are different, of course you are free to believe them over the guys who fit the products every day of the week

post #7 of 15
Thread Starter 

Cool. At least you know. Do you know if the last is the same in the hot rod series AND the speedmachine series?

 

And have you heard anything about the new Tecnica air shell boots?

post #8 of 15

BTW we have to say most because of that 1 exception , if we said all then people would pick us up on that fact 

post #9 of 15

ok, so there are differences between the boots we have in the UK and those in the US, the only hotrod shells we have over here are the 98mm (doberman shape modified ) the others which i believe are the same as the speed machine in different graphics but i would wait for someone stateside confirm that fact.......

 

whatever the model the sizing is as stated ..., there is one other exception some of their 22.5 shells are actually size 23 with a stopper in the front

 

post #10 of 15
Thread Starter 

Yes, the hot rods here have a 100mm shell.

post #11 of 15

with a 100mm shell, it should be the same as the speedmachine...... nordica aren't rich enough to make another mold in a "similar" last

post #12 of 15
Thread Starter 

Okay, if they have the same last, what is the difference? I am looking for an all-mountain boot, which is better?

post #13 of 15

from what i have seen ....COLOUR but thats where you need a statesider

post #14 of 15

My advice is quit trying to do so much here and try the boots on in the shop to determine the difference.  Whether you buy a 100mm shell, 98 mm or whatever is about fit.  Period.  Flex is personal preference.  All boots are all-mountain if they fit you well and you like the flex.  Everybody makes all mountain boots now.  Everyone makes race boots.  Performance all-mountain boots are the same shell as the race boots.  Maybe a softer flex which is good if you want a softer flex.  Maybe a rubber zeppa which is good if you like rubber zeppas.

 

Lou

post #15 of 15
Thread Starter 

Sure Lou, stupid me for trying to do some online research BEFORE I go to the bootfitter. Geez, bootfitters. How much of the malcontent in your personalities is brought on by yourselves and not by everyone else for not being educated? I'm trying to become an educated consumer Mr. Lou "Master of Science" Rosenfeld through this site which apparently is mutually a misguided endeavour.

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