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post #1 of 20
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Actually looks pretty kewl. Anybody been on these.

http://www.harbskisystems.com/carver.htm

Ed
post #2 of 20
Look interesting. I wonder do they create a "curve" along the wheel axis when on edge or are the wheels statically in line?
post #3 of 20
Dunno about them Oz ...

but the head of race dept at Thredbo has a family of Oz grass skiing champions & can give you a good description of the rockering they put on those & how the mechanics match with skiing (well so I hear anyway)....

you should know him - or I can message you his name...
post #4 of 20
PowDigger, I read about them recently on another forum, perhaps where you were "Digging"
Some guy called "SCUZZUH" posted about them.
No idea who he is, but the way he went on, I'll be he's in the top 3% of skiers in the universe.



S
post #5 of 20
Are these a whole unit, or just wheels you attach to your regular ski boot? Now, wouldn't THAT be cool!

I wonder....in the high speed cable movie of Diana, I noticed that the street is showing very definite tracks from their wheels. I'm sure the DOT will love that.
post #6 of 20
Of course the biggest problem I have with downhill practice on inline skates is that the wheels wear out way too quickly. Not a problem on the flats but holding a turn at 30mph on skates wears them out too fast.

I like Harb's concept. It appeals to me intuitively and I'd like to try them.

bob
post #7 of 20
Fox....check out my vote for most influential skier in the General section.
post #8 of 20
The suspense is killing me. How much do these things cost? I have 300 bucks burning a hole in my pocket. Will that be enough?
They look cool and I want 'em. : : [img]tongue.gif[/img] :
post #9 of 20
SCSA has found a home at "the other" forum. He is still trying to sell whatever new snake oil that HH brews/bottles.

He certainly has a great many nice things to say about all the folks here.
post #10 of 20
Wow! Roller skates.
post #11 of 20
hey, if these things work the way they look like they might, i'm on 'em. 'cause inline/rollerblades got not a lot to do with skiing turns so far as i've been able to discern.
post #12 of 20
I don't agree with Harb completely on that one. A ski that is tipped on soft snow will pivot on its longitudinal axis like a rollerblade. Unless you ski on rock hard ice like a skating ring, the leverage on a ski would have much less resitance and be more progressive than on Harb new device, even on bullet proof snow.

It could be a usefull training tool to reinforce the muscle of the hip, knee and hip as it provide more resistance to tipping but I do think that a perfect ski emulating device would be something between a rollerblade and this device. I would give a shot if it is not overprice. Another thought, how stable and forgiving is this thing? if you "catch an edge" on it remember that asphalt is no snow!

[ October 16, 2003, 07:37 PM: Message edited by: Frenchie ]
post #13 of 20
Although these look cool, I have a couple of questions/thoughts:

- Would you really want to use your $500 or more ski boots with all the custmizations that you made over time? (Yes there are advantages but if you fall, there's a greater chance of busting off buckles or doing other damage).

- Going down hill these would work great. How do they work going up hill? Would it be as easy (relatively) to skate up a hill in these as on Inlines?

- How secure is the binding?

- A normal ski boot may make it harder to brake, and if stiff could be a lot harder.
post #14 of 20
Harald Harb sent me the following comment regarding this thread. Not sure why he didn't post it himself, but I'll let him know he is always welcome here if he would like to add a thought or clarify something. Since this info seemed timely, I thought I'd post it right away before waiting on an email exchange.
________________________

A friendly of Harb Ski Systems informed me that there is a forum or thread devoted to discussion about a new product we have developed called the "Harb Carver". Much of the discussion is based on assumption and misinformation. In effort to relieve the confusion I offer this information.

Description of Harb Carvers:

You will find that Harb Carvers are made of the highest grade and quality materials that are best suited for skiing applications on pavement. The “Harb Carvers” can be described as very fast, low friction, carving, roller skis. This is not a toy; Harb Carvers are serious training tools that require serious training and learning. They are patent pending and have been developed by racing coaches, elite skiers and Harb ski systems staff. We have tested them with intermediate skiers with success. For more information about models and their use, see the web site www.HarbCarvers.com

Some skiers will find them more difficult then skiing on snow. Others will immediately feel comfortable, we have observed both. Skiers, who have on snow movement patterns that produce skidded turns, will find their technique doesn’t work well with Harb Carvers. Regardless of your dominant movement pattern the Harb Carvers can be of great assistance. The challenge will be to learn tipping rather than twisting or steering movements that cause skidding, as Harb Carvers do not skid. With Harb Carvers, you will have the opportunity to learn proper carving technique. We have observed skiers, ski racers and ski instructors improve their skiing technique with Carvers.

The translation of turning success is directly transferable to snow skiing, in fact all movements related to releasing and engaging edges and carving can be learned on Harb Carvers. We have many elite Junior Olympic champions training on Harb Carvers. Mastering these tools will make an incredible improvement in your on snow skiing ability. You can not fake or cheat a turn on these tools. They require that you develop proper skiing technique. Traditional methods of ski learning and teaching will not work with this tool. This is a serious carving tool.

Carving on Harb carvers is like skiing on grippy snow. The wheels hold turns very well and they are very stable in the turn. The wheels provide some flex which gives the feel of rebound. If you are a powerful skier, skiing on a steeper slope, you may skid slightly if you try to twist the turn, but the Carvers skid in a forgiving way. They let you know you are using improper technique, but they have yet to dump us on our rears. We run slalom and ski on one foot to increase the skill training difficulty.

Harald R. Harb
President, Harb Ski Systems
post #15 of 20
Wow! Diana is ripping. She looks as if she is doing the real thing. She has got almost all the right moves.
post #16 of 20
I skied with Dianna a couple years ago, and she can definitely rip.
post #17 of 20
Harb is something else. He can spout marketingese and sound defensive without even trying. You have to wonder about some one who is more comfortable sending emails than posting publicly.
post #18 of 20
I am not specifically defending Harb but I certainly can see why some people would be reluctant to participate in a public forum. It is the nature of the medium that makes it relatively easy to put down just about anyone whether there is true (as opposed to apparent) validity to an argument or not. It takes a lot of time to carefully compose a meaningful post in a way that minimizes misinterpretation. Also, unless you regularly check in, you run the risk of runaway discussions that can greatly distort your original intent.

I personally enjoy the Epic Ski forums but I suspect it is among the very best. I do not regularly participate in any other forums and even here there are stretches in time where I don't check in as I get turned off by some of the stuff that is posted.

For those who can spend the time and discuss their opinions honestly and objectively I feel grateful but I certainly don't think there is any reason to criticize those who do not wish to enter the fray.
post #19 of 20
Thanks for the information, HH, and thanks Si for making a good point.

I'm wondering what would happen if you should hit a small rock in the road? Would you derail?

I can't think of many places here that I could use these, although they look very cool. The roadways here are too narrow and trafficked, the paved roads leading up to the ski hills are potholed, rutty things I blow tires in (literally, ask Kee Tov), and the paved bike trails are nearly flat, making Carvers useless.

I like the idea though.
post #20 of 20
Sounds like a novel idea, except for the part about using actual ski boots. I don't rollerblade during the summer because the liners in the rollerblade boots get so waterlogged with sweat that the session is cut short. I always wait until the first fronts break the afternoon temps into the 70's or low 80's before I start, and I still find the sweat accumulation to be more than I prefer. ...I can imagine the kind of problems that would be encountered with an actual ski boot, not to mention the comfort level!

Maybe he can make some more money developing a proper boot alternative for summer use on the device. As it is; I only envision a very small number who will purchase a device that needs temperatures near that of snow itself to be commonly useable.
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