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ARE THEY CARVING, OR ALL MOUNTAIN SKIS?

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What is the deal?? this site is to help you pick a ski. The way they have thier info., they have you looking at the wrong class of skis, leading to you picking the wrong ski, for yourself. I need a new carving ski, 3 of the carvers I've picked, are listed in their all mt. list. WHY? Fischer - Motiv 80, Nordica - Fire Arrow 80Atomic - D2 VF 82,

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It seems to be more and more common, that the lines between carving/all mountain/powder skis are becoming more and more blurred each year.  One mans powder ski is another mans carver.  Many people on here feel a 110mm waisted ski makes an excellent all mountain ski...meaning it has good carving ability as well.  Others won't accept a ski as a carver unless it is a 67mm waisted race ski.  I think the difference in the skis intended use depends on who you are asking.  This years Ski Magazine buyers guide lists all mountain skis in the 80-95 mm range.  Whereas this years Powder Buyers guide has them going all the way up to 115.  So .

 

The answer must always come back down to demoing them until you find the ones you like.  Or work on quiver building, and when you feel like carving, grab the one that seems to carve best, no matter what size it is.  When it's deep...grab your 140mm skis.

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I'm not familiar with those skis, but if the numbers relate to waist width, they aren't carvers.

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Not sure.  There could be some overlap, but in the case of the fire-arrow, they consider the 74 mm waisted fire arrow a carver and the 80 mm waisted ski an all mountain ski.

 

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Atomic lists the D2 VF 82 under the "Groomer" category on their product listing.  It states "Its Traditional Camber ensures perfect grip and high stability even on the hardest of slopes. In combination with a waist width of 82mm the D2 VF 82 is a superior on-piste all-rounder with a good lift in soft conditions."  Sounds to me like a Carver with a bit more float should the need arise.

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IMO, 'All-mountain' is just a metaphor for 'better in crud and chop than a 68mm carver.' For most buyers, I suspect it's just a feel-good term, similar to 'mountain bike'. The majority of people who purchase a mountain bike never take them off the pavement. They just feel good knowing they have a mountain bike.  The same applies to all-mountain skis, IMO. Very few people in the skiing public who purchase them rarely, if ever, take them off the blue and green groomed runs. As with the bike, the selling point is the label, not the utility.

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Gosh I thought it was a skiers technique that carved skis not the width,oh well.

post #8 of 8

You are, of course, correct!  But you need a lot less effort to carve a 66mm ski than a 95mm ski, plus the flat/flaired tails on a carving/racing allow the skis to carve better turns that are greater or less than the natural arc.  If fat skis were that easy to carve, WC skiers would use them.  But the trend is indeed fatter, and it is likely to continue.  My "daily drivers" seem to get fatter every few years, even though I still have a few 65-67mm waisted skis for those fast snow days.

 

Gosh I thought it was a skiers technique that carved skis not the width,oh well. 

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