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Thread Starter 

Does anyone have any experience using Liberty Skis?

 

My friend will be carrying them in his store and I was looking at some of his sales stuff and then their website.  I like the idea of the bamboo cores and the use of wind power in the production of an American ski built in CO.  It bothers me that all of my skis are made elsewhere and my beloved Gotomas are made in China.  If performance and price where competitive I would rather be on an American product.  I'm sure there are demos in my future, but was wondering if anyone had personal experience with them?

post #2 of 18

Liberty and Hart share a factory in China.  My Barhoppers were built there.

post #3 of 18

Bindings are VIST (made in Italy)...

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A guy working in the local ski shop started raving about the Helix out of the blue earlier this year.  It's a serious shop with knowledgeable staff and they don't actually carry that line (yet), but he was talking it up as one of his all-time faves.  Would be worth a demo in my book.

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The Helix is an awesome ski. Liberty are a good company too. Run by people who are passionate about skiing. One of the first companies to start using bamboo cores.

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I got the impression from the website that their skis used to be made by others, but are now produced in-house in CO.  They outsource materials from all over the world.
 

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Liberty and Hart share a factory in China.  My Barhoppers were built there.

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I got the impression from the website that their skis used to be made by others, but are now produced in-house in CO.  They outsource materials from all over the world.
 


 


Hart makes skis in Colorado as well.  I was told by somebody at Hart when I bought the BarHoppers they were made alongside Liberty in China, and to a degree it makes sense...I imagine Bamboo is plentiful in China.

 

Hart was excited because the Liberty Helix and Double Helix did well in Freeskiers ski test last year, and those were the ones built in the same factory as The One (I think), BarHopper and Outback 102 from Hart.  Hart had entered The One in the ski test and had high hopes for it to do well.  I think around that time Hart redesigned The One and it is now produced in Colorado...and now has a Poplar core.  The BarHopper and Outback 102 haven't changed though...still Chinese, and still Bamboo.  Liberty may very well move their production to Colorado as well, I'm sure they would like to if cost allowed.  But since their headquarters is there, why would they have gone to China in the first place, only to come back here?

 


 

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I got the impression from the website that their skis used to be made by others, but are now produced in-house in CO.  They outsource materials from all over the world.



 

Yes, the website is very carefully worded to give the impression that their "HQ, high in the CO Rockies allows them to test..." is where the skis are manufactured. Go read the site again, nowhere does it say where the skis are manufactured... there is a reason for that. If they were 'Made in Colorado, USA!!' they would be screaming that loud and clear... they aren't. The skis are pretty darn good though. 

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I think (and may very well be wrong) but the hart "the one" and barhopper were up till last season made at never summer.

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I think (and may very well be wrong) but the hart "the one" and barhopper were up till last season made at never summer.



 I may be mistaken on The One.  The BarHopper most certainly is made in China.  I have a pair and it says so right on it.  The Outback 102 was the same ski as the Barhopper but with different graphics.  The One before the current version had very similar graphics to the BarHopper.  Wouldn't have surprised me if they were built alongside each other.  I think Hart told me this, because I was wary of buying a ski that nobody (magazines) had tested.  They pointed out both Liberty's scored well and while not the same design, are built in the same place.

 

Liberty may very well have a facility and at least one press to build and test skis in Colorado, before they go to production in China.  I think 4frnt does this as well.  They build and test things first in Utah, but ultimately all(disclaimer:  most?) of their skis are built in Slovenia by Elan.

post #11 of 18

Calling Barnes on this....

 

about 99% sure "the one" is a Never summer up till this coming year, then off to Vashion Island I think, old K2 plant...

post #12 of 18

Liberty skis are a quality product, I have ridden the Helix and loved em- I think they are superior build an performance to the Gotamas.  If you really want something American, check out Icelantic or ON3P (among others).

post #13 of 18

I picked up a pair of hazmats real cheap last year from Tramdock.  They most definately had a made in china sticker on them.  With that said, and for what they are they were a pretty good ski.  

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I looked into it a bit deeper and Liberty is indeed made in China.  Too Bad!  That's kind of how things are these days and I am still excited to try several pairs of Liberty skis, they would be cooler, to me, if they were made in the USA.

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I looked into it a bit deeper and Liberty is indeed made in China.  Too Bad!  That's kind of how things are these days and I am still excited to try several pairs of Liberty skis, they would be cooler, to me, if they were made in the USA.



I like the idea of USA built too, but in this day and age it's unrealistic to expect companies to remain competitive if they do so.  If you think about it though, even though you don't have a US Craftsman building them persay, at least you are supporting a  US company none-the-less.  Somebody higher up the chain is earning a living from it at least.  Probably whomever staffs that office in Colorado.  I've bought 2 pairs of Harts this past year.  One was built in China, and the other in Italy.  Still, my purchases made at least some Minnesoteans happy.

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I LOVED both Liberty Skis I got on recently:  Envy All mountain and the Envy Powder.
The Powder is the same as the Helix - everything - just girly top sheet.

So good and so much FUN and LOVE the weight!
STABLE = YES! :):)

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Had the chance to demo the Liberty Morphic (186cm twin tip with a 94 waist and traditional camber) about three weeks ago, and was very impressed.  It's a lively, fun ski with a lot of 'pop' coming out of the turn, which brought about a big smile.  The ski gets a bit more serious as you load it up with more energy, and was quite stable on the chopped up soft groomers I was skiing.  The guys in the tent confirmed those were the defining characteristics of Liberty's bamboo core.

 

I'd be happy to own either the Morphic or the Helix, just off the back of that demo.  The Double Helix is a bit wide for my needs.

 

The whole range is well worth a demo if you get the chance.

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