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post #1 of 15
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No Ryder Cup threads yet? OK..... Really exciting finish. It's not exactly the life and death event that they would like us to believe it is, but it is cool to see these guys play the different formats. Amazing how Azinger is the only one who figured out how to make the US guys play well in the team formats, which is where they ALWAYS lose these things. Pavin was... interesting. Tiger in an alternate shot instead of a four-ball in that mixed session? Really? Rickie Fowler and Bubba Watson are great friends but they don't play a single match together? Feel bad for Phil, that weather must have been tough with his arthritis issues and when he finally got a nice day he was great.

post #2 of 15

OOPS, SPOILER AHEAD

 

You know what's sad, not only do I rarely ever play golf anymore, but due to various demands on my time I don't even watch it much anymore. Sounds like the US made a great comeback today just to fall short at the end. No doubt this format has a form of peer pressure that makes for intense competitions. The fact that the US no longer dominates the Ryder Cup, in fact loses most of the time over last couple decades, has only made it more popular and fun to watch.  I wonder if there is a 60 minute recap of the whole thing I could watch off the internet?

post #3 of 15
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As a kid growing up watching golf, I do not remember ever even hearing about the Ryder Cup. Until, as you say, the Euro team won it. Adding the rest of Europe to the mix, and therefore the inclusion of Seve Ballesteros, was a major change to that event that really put it on the map. Now it is so enormous it's hard to believe. I can't even make a four footer when a dollar is on the line, so it is fun to watch these guys play for what they perceive as pressure, since most of the top guys have learned by now how to play when money is at stake. Often my cable co has these events available free on demand, so you may be able to get it and fast forward through it, though part of the drama comes from the slow building tension. I isolate myself from news when necessary and DVR a lot of the major championship final rounds and always end up watching nearly the whole telecast even though my intent is to watch in two hours or less.

post #4 of 15

OK, I'll bite and put in my two cents.  Again, the Ryder Cup proves that overall the Europeans are every bit as good as the USA at golf.  We may have the "World's #1" (who is going to be on his way down the list soon unless his play improves), but overall they are just as good.  The advances over the past 25 years in teaching and equipment has made the game far more competitive.  If the times zones weren't so different, it would have been great fun to watch this friendly, yet intense competition.

post #5 of 15
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Absolutely. And the "Rest of the World" is just as good too! It is remarkable, though, how much better the European players tend to perform over time in the foursomes and the fourball formats than the USA or RoW players are in either the Ryder Cup or Presidents Cup, even as the players themselves have changed. I am sure that if there was a Pres Cup equivalent for the Euro and RoW players, the Euro team would be equally as formidable. Azinger figured it out (and Sergio Garcia was cooked) and that is how the US won the last one. It always seems that there is one team match session where the US team gets its butt kicked and ends up being the deciding factor when they lose, and this was no exception.

post #6 of 15

Here is a great photo from the Ryder Cup.  The photographer took it right in the camera, off a Tiger miss-hit:

 

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post #7 of 15

Pavin was sooo cool on the final hole of the 1st round.  The whole sequence of 'the Sandwich putt' was an astounding head game, intended or otherwise. 

An aspect that golf channel touched upon was the masterful way the course was set-up to neutralize some of the Americans playing traits.  The slowness of the greens, that much rain makes difference.  The choke points on the fairways that were supposed to aid the Euro pros. 

 

Oh ya, the Euros beat us badly in the rain suit competition.

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Here is a great photo from the Ryder Cup.  The photographer took it right in the camera, off a Tiger miss-hit:

 

 ept_sports_golf_experts-57450084-1286203344.jpg?ymQv33DDOMia8GRC

post #9 of 15
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An aspect that golf channel touched upon was the masterful way the course was set-up to neutralize some of the Americans playing traits.  The slowness of the greens, that much rain makes difference.  The choke points on the fairways that were supposed to aid the Euro pros. 

 


Johnny Miller kept emphasizing that the 15th hole was the USA team's undoing. A "driveable par 4" sounds like it should be to a long hitters advantage. But.... if it is reachable by EVERYONE, then it just becomes a par 3 that you have to hit a driver to. And then it favors the straight driver rather than the long driver. And the European guys kept hitting that green and the Americans were constantly chipping out of deep rough from the hill on the right. Watching the whole thing it was amazing it ended as closely as it did. If Monty had picked Rose or Casey instead of Harrington they probably would have waltzed. Harrington, who I really used to love as a player and a gritty, good guy, could have contributed the same to the team if he had been Ross Fisher's caddie since his main value seemed to be in reading Fisher's putts and SLOWING down the team matches.

post #10 of 15

All of this is no different than a baseball team making the dirt between the bases look like the Sahara desert when a great base stealer is on the other team, or when a race course is set to a particular racer's liking by a fellow countryman.  It's the home field advantage.

 

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An aspect that golf channel touched upon was the masterful way the course was set-up to neutralize some of the Americans playing traits.  The slowness of the greens, that much rain makes difference.  The choke points on the fairways that were supposed to aid the Euro pros.  

post #11 of 15

 Harrington drove me crazy, finally couldn't watch anymore slow play and went outside.  If the US team hadn't capitulated to TV  and left Tiger off the team maybe they would have won.  There was quite a few hot young players that could have helped the team.  $$ rules.  Too bad.

post #12 of 15

didn't monty set it up so his team could have the best chance, format, course layout etc?

 

it really was great to see the "grumpy" man smiling and rejoicing.good for him and

 

good on you europe- the golfing world needs tournaments like this

bravo

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Originally Posted by quant2325 View Post

Here is a great photo from the Ryder Cup.  The photographer took it right in the camera, off a Tiger miss-hit:

 

 ept_sports_golf_experts-57450084-1286203344.jpg?ymQv33DDOMia8GRC

 

 

This shot is famous for another reason.  The Euros had a stealth swami releasing negative vibes against us. 

See here:  http://www.parantar.com/2010/10/the-cigar-guy-and-tiger-woods-issue-during-ryder-cup-2010/2535

post #14 of 15

It was a fantastic competition - watching it live in the newsroom of a paper in London (because it went to the Monday) it was interesting to see how people who normally don't care for golf in itself got caught up in the whole thing.

 

Team play was the Europeans' forte, again, but just for once I don't think the US can blame Woods. He played well, apart from one section in which he had his brains beaten out by the man who will replace him as No1. Lefty was a much bigger drag on the team, only coming good on the last day.

 

Given the dreadful conditions (rain in Wales in October - who'd a thunk it, eh?) which were partly forced on the competition by the FedEx Moneyfest pushing it back, I thought it all went well - played in the right spirit, some cracking golf, and who could ask more than it coming down to the last match? Montgomerie knew it would be tight and backed his gut feeling by putting an in-form player with proven ability to withstand pressure in the hot seat; good captaincy. Really felt for Hunter Mahan, though.

 

Even as an Aussie, I look forward to the Ryder Cup every two years. I'm a team sport sort of bloke so it excites me even more than the Majors.

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Sigh, haven't been in the golf forum in sometime and sadly won't have the opportunity to do this again anytime soon. This was taken at the PGA Historical Center in Port St Lucie, FL last spring after I helped out with a junior golf camp. All the kids had a chance to have their picture taken with the Ryder Cup. A once in a life time experience to hold this treasure and think of all the great golfers from both side of the pond have held it.

 

 

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