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post #31 of 50
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Seg, patroller in the Technica Icons on the Dynastars? 8800's perhaps?

post #32 of 50
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The men in my life: can you pick out the patroller? ;-)


I'm guessing the patroller is your brother, third from the left.

post #33 of 50
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I think I see Rossignol Sickbirds in the background, and in the foreground Igneous FFLs(?), with Fritschi Freeride Plus. The white boots are the Scarpa Tornado.


Good work. Between the two of us, we've identified all the boots and skis in that picture except for the black boots in the back.

post #34 of 50
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Seg, patroller in the Technica Icons on the Dynastars? 8800's perhaps?


You missed the hints...

post #35 of 50

The skis I recall seeing on patrollers out here were Obsethed, Legend Pros, Gotamas, Kuros and Pontoons. The Pontoons were out on a low-visability warm spring day when week-old powder had started turning into frozen chickenheads... I had to question his sanity when I saw him riding those noodles in the conditions, so don't always take a hint from what you see. However, the Kuros were really useful when my girlfriend (at the time) tore her MCL - the wide platform helped stabilize the toboggan while they set her up.

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Wouldn't that screw up the release function of your bindings?

 

The brown ones are Garmont Axon. Those and the Telemark boots come with rubber soles. Pretty sure the white boots are AT boots too.



Not at all, they are designed for that with a skid plate, a smooth band in the middle of the tread.

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I took this pic at top of Pali at A-basin on a weekday in April 2009. Can you guys identify their skis, boots, bindings?

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A good and telling picture.  The far guy is wearing Scarpa T-race tele boots.  So I think they're all wearing tele or AT boots, which is what I wear working - actually it's what I wear whenever I ski.  But a number of the people I work with like to wear touring-type boots for the lugged soles and walk mode function.  And the ones that don't often wish they did.  

 

To the OP question, you have to have edge control on firm days.  I've been using Volkl M-Rocks (essentially a softer Mantra) for a daily driver, this year I'm getting some Volkl Nanuqs (updated version).  On powder days I bring out Black Diamond Justices.  I work in the southern Rockies and I wouldn't want a carving ski - I want easy sideslipping and a variety of turn shapes available.  I don't particularly want a ski that you have to stay on top of - easy turn initiation and fairly relaxed skiing are good, but strong edge control.  

 

And flat tails, flat tails rock.  

post #38 of 50
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I wouldn't want a carving ski - I want easy sideslipping and a variety of turn shapes available.  I don't particularly want a ski that you have to stay on top of - easy turn initiation and fairly relaxed skiing are good, but strong edge control.  


Quoted for truth.

 

I've been thinking that the new DPS Wailer 112RP could be the ideal soft snow day patrol ski.  DPSes are generally extremely torsionally rigid and have edgehold that belies their width. The 112RP combined rockered tip and tail with slight camber underneath, which is becoming fairly common in skis ranging from the Rossignol S7 to the Moment Bibby.  But the unusual thing about the 112RP is its long effective edge, which appears to be equivalent to a conventional ski that is 10cm shorter.  In other words, the 190cm 112RP has an effective edge comparable to a 180 conventional ski. Assuming that you'll need to take any sled on a groomer at some point, the long effective edge translates to control.

post #39 of 50
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Patrol have to beat up their skis (on some mountains) because they can't pick and chose their line while working. If rocks are where they are headed, rocks they will ski. So I would deduce that a boutique brand expensive ski seldom offered at discount is not going to be the choice for the workhorse, characteristics aside.

post #40 of 50

I've always used what I normally ski on.  When I started I was using Snow Rangers, then G4s, Now Jet Fuels.  I also patrolled a lot in tele gear mostly snow rangers.  In general I could care less about rocks.  If there are rocks in my line I guess I'm going to hop over them, ski around them, lift a foot, or (gasp) hit a few.  The first time I skied with Bob Peters, he seemed surprised at my disregard for my equipment.  The fact is that I don't damage my skis as much as a lot of other people because I've gotten pretty good at hitting rocks softly or near missing.  Running a toboggan is not that hard.  You can even use it as a crutch to hold you up.  What I like is a ski that is fairly stout and fits the one ski quiver description.  Kind of like what I teach or free ski on.  Cheap is always good, but I no longer maintain rock skis.  All my skis are rock skis.  They are tools not jewels and if they get broken they will get fixed or replaced.  

post #41 of 50
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

Patrol have to beat up their skis (on some mountains) because they can't pick and chose their line while working. If rocks are where they are headed, rocks they will ski. So I would deduce that a boutique brand expensive ski seldom offered at discount is not going to be the choice for the workhorse, characteristics aside.


Here's a new word for you:  proform.

post #42 of 50

When I was at Sun Peaks, the 'trollers were always offered a few pro-forms.  But, there was always a rep offering to get the full-time patrol whatever the wanted, every year.  At the end of the season, it either went back, or they could buy it for cost.  Back then there were mostly HEAD(MonsterCross, SuperCross TI's, World Cup's, Cross Ti's), or Elan(M12, m777, m666).  And most of those pairs went back to the reps to be sold off elsewhere.

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Here's a new word for you:  proform.



Not new, and not that cheap.  Give me $150 and I'll find a perfectly functional ski on ebay.  Proform?  No way!

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Not new, and not that cheap.  Give me $150 and I'll find a perfectly functional ski on ebay.  Proform?  No way!


The point is that it appears to be new for dav, not new generally.  He's right that few patrollers would spend $800 for a pair of DPS.  He's just wrong in his assumption that because they're "seldom offered at a discount" commercially, they'd have to.

 

Most of my quiver is in the $150 and less category too, FWIW.

post #45 of 50
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The point is that it appears to be new for dav, not new generally.  He's right that few patrollers would spend $800 for a pair of DPS.  He's just wrong in his assumption that because they're "seldom offered at a discount" commercially, they'd have to.

 

Most of my quiver is in the $150 and less category too, FWIW.



you're kidding, right. 

post #46 of 50

You mean, about proform being a new word for you? Well, yeah, a little. Tweaking you, at least.

 

And if you make it to Alpine this year and want to try my 190 Wailer 112RPs, let me know -- they'll have demo bindings on them.

post #47 of 50
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You mean, about proform being a new word for you? Well, yeah, a little. Tweaking you, at least.

 

And if you make it to Alpine this year and want to try my 190 Wailer 112RPs, let me know -- they'll have demo bindings on them.



you're the carrot and the stick. but, thanks.

post #48 of 50

I've been called worse....

post #49 of 50

I saw lots of patrollers at Alpine on K2s....Obsetheds, Kung Fujas, and older ones.

 

When I asked if they preferred K2 over other brands, the replies were that they got the best deals from K2..

 

Money talks I suppose, and also these doods have other personal skis for days off.

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I saw lots of patrollers at Alpine on K2s....Obsetheds, Kung Fujas, and older ones.

 

When I asked if they preferred K2 over other brands, the replies were that they got the best deals from K2..

 

I was thinking about mentioning that, but the first rule about pro deals is...

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