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Fair enough Josh, I shouldn't have gotten so pissy. I've skied many a tree line when I didn't know whether it would go through, only that there was just enough space to pass between the trunks while pushing through the branches, it's fun, but it is an acquired taste and skill set, and certainly not a place where one worries about carving turns.

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I didnt mean to pick a fight, its just that out west from place I have been(lots in utah, and some in Colorado, and Cali) I have never seen skiable trees that are tight as skiable trees back east. out west skiing trees is simple and and most arent tight at all.  I have seen tree out west that are so tight that have low branches that stop you from skiing.

 

 

 

post #32 of 40

I'd add Icelantic Nomad/Shaman and Faction 3-zero to your list and maybe a Line Prophet 100.  Icelantics might be harder to get your hands on but there is still a distributor in UK I believe.  I hear lots of good stuff about the Rossi S series and the Dyna Big series so wouldn't write them off either.

post #33 of 40

Want a great powder/crud ski that will pivot on a dime in trees? Don't care about groomer/on piste performance? That's simple: Praxis Pow/Lotus 138/Spatula. Glad I could help.

 

post #34 of 40

I also agree with SJ's list. The Atomic Access is another that should fit on the list. Early rise tip, flat tail, 100mm under foot, reasonably short turn radius. 

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Every Indie ski I've held in my hands had an obvious "I built it myself" quality to it... let's not even mention R&D. The Indie brands get good when they grow to the point they can outsource production to a bigger manufacturer who knows how to build skis (hello 4frnt, Armada, Line). Many of the popular Indie skis right now are a blatent rip-off of the Rossi S7, imagine if ON3P made the Billy Goat and a year later Rossi came out with the S7. The Indie ski fans would be like a hornets nest of angst over the blatent intellectual infringement on the design. Other way around? "Oh, they are higher quality at a lower price..."   Uhm, no. They aren't. The Billy Goat costs $699, the S7 cost $799. You have to pre-pay for a future delivery of the ON3P. Walk into any shop with S7's and pull out $699 and say 'here, take it'... I gaurantee 2 out of 3 will run to the register with your $$.

 

Indies are cool, I'm glad they exist, but saying they make better skis is just wrong. Saying they cost less is, often, also dead wrong.


You really are clueless. The Billygoats leaning against my wall have as good of a build/finish quality as any ski I have handled.  You can order some BG's right now if you want. They have them in stock. I pre-orderd for 545 myself. If you knew ho many ski's ON3P refused to send out or sell because of the smallest blems you would be surprised

 

As far as people copying the S7, it can be argued(and has) that it is a copy of another indie builder.

 

BTW, the big guys don't always get it right: http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200520

 

I won't even bother with Solly's tech insert debacle.

 

 

 

post #36 of 40
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Every Indie ski I've held in my hands had an obvious "I built it myself" quality to it... let's not even mention R&D. The Indie brands get good when they grow to the point they can outsource production to a bigger manufacturer who knows how to build skis (hello 4frnt, Armada, Line). Many of the popular Indie skis right now are a blatent rip-off of the Rossi S7, imagine if ON3P made the Billy Goat and a year later Rossi came out with the S7. The Indie ski fans would be like a hornets nest of angst over the blatent intellectual infringement on the design. Other way around? "Oh, they are higher quality at a lower price..."   Uhm, no. They aren't. The Billy Goat costs $699, the S7 cost $799. You have to pre-pay for a future delivery of the ON3P. Walk into any shop with S7's and pull out $699 and say 'here, take it'... I gaurantee 2 out of 3 will run to the register with your $$.

 

Indies are cool, I'm glad they exist, but saying they make better skis is just wrong. Saying they cost less is, often, also dead wrong.


The quality of the ON3P Billy Goat surpasses the S7 by light years. I've given my on3p wrens an absolute beating (70+ days) and they still look amazing. So many times i expected to find a core shot and nothing, barely a scratch. Not to mention they use bamboo+carbon and more expensive materials unlike rossi.

 

PS the S7 was not the first ski with that shape, an indy came up with it first.

post #37 of 40
Thread Starter 

Thanks for all the replies; thought I'd leave you to fight amongst yourselves for a while...

 

hiplainsdrifter thanks for the support.

Indeed I have never been to Stowe, so clearly I'm a clueless gaper . I've only been to Vail (and nearby resorts) and Whistler in NA, but would love to try some of the other places I read about on here.

 

I didn't mean that "tree skiing" was some particular discipline, it's just skiing in trees - a kind of slalom in heavy crud where clipping the gates may kill you, with the occasional bit of limbo dancing and ankle-height barbed wire to keep you on your toes.

 

Westcat, yes the Access does look good.

 

While DPSs skis are lovely (Wailer 112 in particular looks spot-on), they're pretty expensive, and have about a 50% markup over list here. 

 

Test days here seem to be a rarity (only saw one last year), but I'll keep more of a look out this year.

 

Found out my local big ski shop gets their new stock in this weekend, so I'll be having a look at what they get. They tend to have a big range - as well as the big names, I've seen 4frnt, Line, Armada, Faction, Ninthward, Icelantic, Movement, Scottybob and others there.

 

Thanks again.

post #38 of 40

What we REALLY need now is for someone to fire up an argument about helmets in this thread.

 

I'm seriously impressed.

 

post #39 of 40
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You really are clueless.

 

You have tiny hands and smell like cabbage.

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What we REALLY need now is for someone to fire up an argument about helmets in this thread.

 

I'm seriously impressed.

 


Helmets in trees on East Coast actually. Since if you haven' skied least coast you REALLY have no clue (Chamonix - no chance it's as gnar as Stowe )

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