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Anybody have insight on ski area upgrades across North America?

 

Big announcements:

WA- Crystal Mt: Installed a top to bottom Gondola, which has the potential to turn this sleeping giant into a real destination resort.

NY- Gore Mt: Completed interconnect with the North Creek Ski Bowl with new trails and a new chairlift.

 

Some other tibits I've picked up:

NY- Bristol Mt: Cut a new 2300' intermediate trail. Guessing it's "lower Universe."

IN- Perfect North: Regraded and widened Backstage, with the potential for holding races on it.

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Slight change.  A new chair at Whitefish planned for the 11-12 season has created a new run for this season, rated supposedly double black.  No name last I heard.  It'll run from Bad Rock down to the base lodge and the main reason for the rating seems to be the pitch and the fact that it's "off camber", which I guess I would have called "double fall line", but basically the fall line will run a different direction than the trail will run in actual English.  They also mention road cuts across it being an issue, but to me that should provide relief from the pitch, not add to the problem, but since I haven't seen the trail yet, who knows?  I believe this general area used to be skied a lot off piste by some, although I've never been in there because once I'm on the mountain I'm not looking to go back to the base lodge and pokey chair six very often and usually the snow is better higher up. 

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Slight change.  A new chair at Whitefish planned for the 11-12 season has created a new run for this season, rated supposedly double black.  No name last I heard. 

 



That's nothing, Snowbowl has two new runs from two seasons ago, and two new runs from last season, that still aren't named on the map (though I hear they decided to call the one off of Upper Grizzly Bear Paw, which is what a nearby area had been called by locals for a long time).

 

What's new at the Bowl this year? I haven't heard of any changes to the mountain, but I can attest to the staggering changes to the road from "Permafrost" corner all the way down until the road jogs right towards the dumpsters. It has been widened by as much as ten feet, and straightened out quite a bit, in a steep section of road with many blind corners. Now it's like a super highway.

 

What also is new is unfortunate. The mountain manager was recently in a motorcycle accident suffering a host of injuries that will surely last well through the season. In my experience, he's the only one that seems to be able to get the lift running when there's problems, but I don't expect he'll be hopping on his 'bile and go screaming up the mountain to fix the lift this season.

 

The road widening project is complete, which was one of the prerequisites for the planned expansion to TV Mountain. The hoop Snowbowl must jump through, is putting up guardrails. From what I've gathered, this was a road engineer's idea that was not in the original Forest Service requirements, but the FS opted to add this expensive and problematic* measure to their requirements for the expansion.   (*guardrails prevent plowing snow off the edges of the road,  removal of snow means safer driving conditions, and of course Snowbowl doesn't own a snowblower anymore, they traded it for a grader I think, which is good for moving snow to the side of the road, so the plow can push it off the edge).  

 

I'll be going up there tomorrow to start working off a season pass. Perhaps I'll learn something new.

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In my neck of the woods two items of consequence; new Black Mountain Quad at A-Basin replacing the old three seat and Vail opens up the backside choke point with chair 5 now a high speed Quad.  Happiness  

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Man, I love to see another Perfect North skier here. It may be tiny and overcrowded, but I'll always love the place where I learned to ski. I still make it back there every now and then.

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Originally Posted by philcski View Post

Anybody have insight on ski area upgrades across North America?

 

Big announcements:

WA- Crystal Mt: Installed a top to bottom Gondola, which has the potential to turn this sleeping giant into a real destination resort.

NY- Gore Mt: Completed interconnect with the North Creek Ski Bowl with new trails and a new chairlift.

 

Some other tibits I've picked up:

NY- Bristol Mt: Cut a new 2300' intermediate trail. Guessing it's "lower Universe."

IN- Perfect North: Regraded and widened Backstage, with the potential for holding races on it.

post #6 of 23

I live about 20 min from Perfect, and it doesn't at all compare to the resorts out west, but it still is a nice place to go early in the season to get the legs used to turning again.  I can imagine what a regrade would do, but I'm curious to see how Backstage will be this season.

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Sugarloaf (Maine) announced the opening of 250 acres of glades/tree terrain. The plan is to open a total of 650 acres over the next three years. It will double the total terrain of the area, making it the largest ski hill east of the Rockies, they claim. This will be a game changer for the Loaf. 

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The big news around here is Kicking Horse's expansion. They are opening the Super Bowl (as controlled terrain). It is hike to though, and my guess is it might take some time to open up after storms. I think they will be replacing the pioneer lift with one that will take skiers up to the base of the STH quad. This will help with gondola lines. I don't know when the lift will be installed though.

 

Sunshine is replacing their strawberry triple with a high speed lift. Strawberry is Sunshine's beginner area, and I think the users will appreciate a detachable lift. It will also provide fast access to the Divide quad. Not much vert though....

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Huge news from The Canyons in UT. 

 

The big problem of getting skiers out of the village and up the mountain on the weekends should be taken care of this year with a new heated high speed bubble quad and the re-positioning the gondola base just off the Cabriolet lift (the Cabriolet lift goes to/from the parking lot).  They are moving dirt and some buildings to create a "ski beach" that should be a lot of fun for those who apres ski or want to meet up with friends.  The additional snowmaking they are installing makes them competitive with the other two areas if there is a lack of early season snow. The opening of yet another mountain, Iron Mountain, gives them some more bragging rights about being the largest lift served UT resort.  It also gives us 300 more acres of powder to ski.  They addressed the need for another lodge on the mountain, but that will happen later.  Oh yeah, they also broke ground for the golf course.  Talikster is investing heavily regardless of the current economic environment, which makes me believe they have a vision that includes even more expansion down the road.  The only bad news is that the "secret" of the mountains and resort properties that comprise The Canyons is getting too well known.


Edited by quant2325 - 10/2/10 at 10:06pm
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I posted this elsewhere, but new for Bridger Bowl is a new 3-person lift that replaces both the Deer Park and Bridger lifts. Part of the change will be removing numerous catwalks/access roads that interrupted the fall line. Rio says that uphill capacity will be increased. A lot of us old timers think we'll miss Deer Park, because it offered the quickest warmup runs, but it was on tenuous life support the last few years. Change is good!

 

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Crystal Mt gets the new Mount Rainier 8 person Gondi.  It will be very nice in many ways: out of the weather to the upper mountain, over 2400' vertical in less than 10 minutes, 1st gondi in the state.  Like the Bridger expansion it really will not add any terrain though.  

 

The lift will open up Crystal for: the Mountain House for possible year round usage, future zip line rides, future mountain bike trails.  Crystal is also adding a park this summer, that could change the complexion of the mountain even more.  What is good for summer usage should be good for skiers too, I hope.

 

White Pass has added 2 new quads and over 750 acres of new lift served terrain.  That could be some of the bigger news in these parts.

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Also in Washington state is the reopening of Summit East/ Hyak and the backside that has been closed for many years.  They are replacing the chair that was damaged by the snowslide 3 years ago and the backside  should give some interesting intermediate runs for the weekend skiers.

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Hunter Mountain (NY) - The Katskill Flyer - 6 passenger Express will replace the old A lift. 

 

Great improvement, now we need to see if it can stay open when the wind blows.....

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Also in Washington state is the reopening of Summit East/ Hyak and the backside that has been closed for many years.  They are replacing the chair that was damaged by the snowslide 3 years ago and the backside  should give some interesting intermediate runs for the weekend skiers.



I skied there (Hyak) once. It was so foggy I was getting vertigo. Cool little area though, that and Alpental, so close to Seattle.
 

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Man, I love to see another Perfect North skier here. It may be tiny and overcrowded, but I'll always love the place where I learned to ski. I still make it back there every now and then.


 


It isn't much, but given the other choices it's not bad. They try hard at what they're good at- catering to beginners and park rats.

 

 

Southeastern ski areas upgrades I dug up:

WV- Winterplace: 53 new Polecat snowguns, new terrain park on Hickory.

 

NC- Sugar Mountain: replacement of Red chairs/drivetrain (still a double), new Pisten Bully groomers.

NC- Beech Mountain: 6 new tower mounted fan guns.

NC- Appalachian: New beginner trail "Avery's Appal".

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Phil,

You got the Bristol expansion just about right except it's Lower North Star rather than Lower Universe. All set to go with lights and snowmaking.

Hope you can make it up for another race this year.

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Phil,

You got the Bristol expansion just about right except it's Lower North Star rather than Lower Universe. All set to go with lights and snowmaking.

Hope you can make it up for another race this year.



On an earlier thread you had mentioned quite a few planned changes at Bristol. Adding Lower North Star is a good start, but it isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things.  Have they firmed anything up for 2012?

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Whitewater in BC is installing a new triple lift to open up the backside runs without having to hitch a ride up the access road to the base. For details see:

 

http://www.skiwhitewater.com/blog/?post=178

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Holiday Valley, Ellicottville, NY changed out morning star lift to highspeed quad and moved the base of this lift over by eagle lift (hopefully the will add night skiing to eagle next year)

 

They also added a intermediate run on the right side of 'the wall'

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Originally Posted by John V. View Post

Phil,

You got the Bristol expansion just about right except it's Lower North Star rather than Lower Universe. All set to go with lights and snowmaking.

Hope you can make it up for another race this year.


Hope to- just started working out the schedule. You better believe if I ski the SG this year it will be on SG skis, haha! Might be up for the Holiday Valley/Holimont weekend. Looking forward to the season!

 

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Holiday Valley, Ellicottville, NY changed out morning star lift to highspeed quad and moved the base of this lift over by eagle lift (hopefully the will add night skiing to eagle next year)

 

They also added a intermediate run on the right side of 'the wall'

 

Heard about that and forgot to post it. Holiday Valley rocks. Seems like they put back more into the hill than anybody around.
 

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The info below was cut-and-pasted from the Heavenly site.  The Vail Resort's EpicMix embedded chip located in the tickets/passes sounds pretty cool, although I imagine there is a little Big Brother in there somewhere.  I like the fact that it is also a real time locator, which is cool is you have kids or friends somewhere else on the mountain.

 

NEW, ON-MOUNTAIN RESTAURANT, FIRST-OF-ITS-KIND MOBILE APPLICATION HIGHTLIGHT HEAVENLY'S 2010-11 RESORT IMPROVEMENTS

Tamarack Lodge and EpicMix will Transform the Way Skiers and Snowboarders Enjoy the Mountain

October 12, 2010 - Heavenly Mountain Resort announced improvements for the 2010-11 ski and snowboard season, highlighted by a spectacular 14,980-square-foot restaurant called Tamarack Lodge, and EpicMix™, a ground-breaking online and mobile application that allows skiers and snowboarders to digitally capture and share their mountain experiences. Heavenly is also introducing a new terrain park, upgrades to its grooming operation, and the acquisition of a South Lake Tahoe property management company that will give the guest a more seamless mountain vacation experience.

"While many resorts are pulling back, with the backing of Vail Resorts Heavenly is able to push forward and continue investing in the mountain experience, solidifying our position as Lake Tahoe's premier destination resort," said Pete Sonntag, vice-president and general manager of Heavenly. "Tamarack Lodge is going to be truly transformational for Heavenly's overall resort experience, allowing us to ramp up the quality and variety of our food while increasing comfort for our guests."

 
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Tamarack Lodge – Transforming Heavenly's On-Mountain Dining Experience

 

Set for completion in February 2011, Tamarack Lodge will offer close to 500 indoor seats in a beautiful open dining area designed to overlook the ski runs serviced by the Tamarack Express chairlift through a wall of forty-foot-tall, floor-to-ceiling glass windows. Conveniently located in the middle of the mountain, skiers, snowboarders and sightseers will be treated to an expansive, comfortable dining area featuring large timber framing and high ceilings throughout. On sunny days during both winter and summer, guests will be able to enjoy Heavenly's ample amount of sunshine on the lodge's 4,320-square-foot patio which can accommodate another 250 seats. The lodge exterior will complement the surrounding environment by featuring natural colors of the local Tahoe landscape. Aligning with Vail's company-wide commitment to the environment, Heavenly will submit the project for LEED certification.

Tamarack Lodge also represents a critical component that completes Heavenly's Adventure Peak family recreation area. Already home to snowshoeing, ski biking, sledding and Heavenly's Super Tubing Hill – five 500-foot lanes of exhilarating tubing action accessed by a fully-enclosed, elevated magic carpet – the restaurant will provide a home base for a full day of on-snow activity.

"Tamarack Lodge is situated in the absolute ideal location at the top of our Gondola, accessible to skiers and snowboarders, as well as sightseers, both summer and winter," Sonntag said. "This is the first lodge we've built at Heavenly in 31 years and we're back in a big way. Tamarack Lodge is the crowning achievement of Phase One of Heavenly's re-development."

Heavenly's major revitalization over the past eight years includes new and upgraded lifts, increased snowmaking and grooming, and additional on-mountain amenities. These projects, as well as the improvements for the upcoming season, signal Heavenly's ongoing commitment to providing the finest on-mountain experience for skiers and snowboarders.

 

 
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"Ante Up" Takes Recycling to a Whole New Level

 

Heavenly is adding a new terrain park under the Tamarack Express Chairlift called "Ante Up." This true slopestyle park will be comprised entirely of Heavenly's award-winning* recycled features. This season, the Terrain Park Crew has gone back to the lab to create the most creative, urban-based jibs at Lake Tahoe. Ante Up is the only terrain park in the Lake Tahoe basin whose features will be 100 percent recycled, including tractor tires, water tanks, corrugated and snowmaking pipes. Ante Up will also be in full view of the new Tamarack Lodge – so jibbers will have to take their games to the next level!
*2008-09 Ski Area Management Magazine, best use of recycled terrain park features

 

 
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Commitment to Lake Tahoe's Finest Snow Surfaces

 

Heavenly has purchased two new Prinoth Bison X grooming machines and two of Prinoth's new Beast groomers, bringing the world's largest fleet of most technologically-advanced snow cats to 20. The Beast is equipped with the most state-of-the-art technology to date, allowing it to groom 30 percent more acreage per hour than traditional grooming machines. Already home to the West Coast's largest snowmaking system, Heavenly is on a continuous capital program to improve overall snowmaking efficiency, this year adding a new Variable Frequency Drive Pump at the East Peak snowmaking dam that will allow for the automatic adjustment of water pressure, ensuring that the right amount of water is being used at the right time, improving overall energy consumption and efficiency. The combination of grooming expertise and snowmaking capacity ensure that Heavenly's guests are always skiing or snowboarding on the finest snow surface conditions Lake Tahoe has to offer.

 

 
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Continued Trail Enhancement Projects

 

Heavenly, in conjunction with the U.S. Forest Service, continues to make advances in selective trail enhancement projects. These projects annually identify key trails for treatment by widening pinch-points and lowering the height of obstacles on trails. This year, upper Ridge Run and upper California Trail were widened to relieve congestion and improve the overall ski and ride experience. Heavenly also cut a new access trail from the top of North Bowl chairlift to East Peak Lodge to facilitate a more direct route to this popular gathering spot.

 

 
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An Online Experience to Match the On-Mountain Experience

 

Guests who visit Heavenly this season will be able to take advantage of the new EpicMix technology, an online and mobile application which will allow them to capture their ski and ride experience and digitally share it with friends and family. An RF-enabled chip embedded in Vail Resorts' season passes (including the Heavenly Pass) and PEAKS lift tickets will automatically track guests' lift rides, calculating vertical feet skied and days on the mountain and will recognize special achievements and accomplishments by granting guests commemorative, collectible digital pins. EpicMix will have hundreds of available digital pins for a multitude of unique experiences. Guests can then log in to view and share results on social networks as well as post private messages and locate friends on the mountain, including a real-time locator for parents with children.

The basic functionality of EpicMix does not require Vail Resorts' guests to do anything but ski and ride as they always have. There is nothing to buy, nothing new to wear and no required check-ins with their mobile devices. The application is embedded into Vail Resorts' existing season pass and PEAKS lift tickets. EpicMix can be used by any guest at Vail, Beaver Creek, Breckenridge, Keystone and Heavenly, whether they purchase a season pass or a PEAKS single-day lift ticket. EpicMix will launch on opening day at Keystone Mountain on Nov. 5, 2010. Vail Resorts has posted a comprehensive video demonstrating the features and functionality of EpicMix at www.epicmix.com.

The privacy of Vail Resorts' guests is of paramount importance to the Company and no information collected through EpicMix will be shared unless a guest "opts in" and specifically chooses to share their information. All information collected through EpicMix is subject to the strict privacy policies of Vail Resorts. Guests can choose to disable the RF chip in their pass to prevent any scanning. Children under 14 participating in EpicMix will have limited features and a connection only to their parents' account.

 

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STEAMBOAT

 

2010/2011 ON-MOUNTAIN IMPROVEMENTS

Terrace & Umbrella Bar: In conjunction with phased construction of the new Promenade, the existing Bear River deck will be removed and replaced with a new Terrace and Umbrella Bar. This will be a fully-heated, glass-enclosed facility just steps off the Promenade. The all-season, European-inspired Umbrella Bar features floor to ceiling windows for year-round enjoyment. In addition, a new outdoor fire pit will add to the fun at the ski area base. Rough grading for the base area promenade is being completed this summer, with the final hardscape and daylighting of Burgess Creek scheduled to finish next summer.

 

 

 

Snowmaking: Snowmaking pump changes will result in a 27% increase in water flow as the 12-inch pipe under Highway 40 is replaced with a 14-inch line and three 52-horsepower pumps are upgraded to two, 200-horsepower ones, moving the gallons per minute from 3300 to 4200. Couple the increased flow with the purchase of 40 high-efficiency, low-energy tower guns, and early season snow production will augment the number of trails available at the beginning of the season. The HKD tower guns, which use 30% less energy than conventional guns while producing the same amount of snow, are now strategically located across the mountain on Heavenly Daze, Rudi’s Run, Lightning, Upper Vagabond, Ego, Sitz as well as Stampede, Lil’ Rodeo, Preview, Right-O-Way, See Ya, See Me, Voo Doo, Vogue, Lower Vagabond, Tornado Lane and Buddy’s Run.

 

“The early season on-snow product will be significantly improved this winter due to ongoing snowmaking improvements, technological advancement and additional hardware,” said Doug Allen, vice president-mountain operations for the Steamboat Ski & Resort Corporation. “With this technology, crews take advantage of shorter cold weather windows; cover more of the trail; and, treat guests to a drastically better early season skiing and riding product in the process.”

 

Furthering efforts to use less electrical energy and water in the production process, heavy compressor modifications in addition to flow meters and hose will also improve efficiency of the system. Hydrants will be added to accommodate the new tower guns, reducing the spacing from roughly 225 to every 75 feet along many trails. Increased system water pressure will amplify production by 25% with the ability to run up to 100 tower guns simultaneously. In addition, the new pumping capacity will greatly speed up snowmaking production in Mavericks Superpipe. The resort’s system covers nearly 360 acres of top-to-bottom terrain (3,668 vertical feet) and includes a network of over 600 available hydrants, 4 pump houses across the mountain, 150 high-efficiency guns and a state-of-the-art digital operating system.

 

 

 

Pine Beetle Mitigation: A dramatic change has taken place across the lower mountain as a result of extensive pine beetle mitigation. For the better part of a decade, the resort has been dealing with this epidemic moving from individual tree treatment to mass removal of dead trees. The ski area enjoys a diverse forest where Steamboat is fortunate that the forest cover on the mountain is comprised primarily of Engelmann Spruce, Subalpine Fir, Lodgepole and Aspen as well as a few Douglas fir. Fifty acres of trees have been removed below Rough Rider Basin and another 30 acres on the Thunderhead Express and Burgess Creek lift lines are currently being removed.

 

 

New Rails/Features in Terrain Parks:  Ranging from small to large, 30 new and refurbished rails/features will pop up this season across the resort’s four progressive terrain parks. With input from pro riders, a variety of small, 8’ to 12’, low-to-the-ground and shaped boxes will provide the opportunity for learning the basics in transitions and kinked sensations. In the medium park, a new 16’ picnic table and several 24’ shaped boxes will be unveiled for a variety of Down/Up and Double Kinked riding opportunities. A new Wall Ride, several additional large features as well as a new entrance in the advanced park complete the full spectrum of progression from beginner to advanced.

 

KVC Magic Carpet Relocation & Corridor: Last winter, the newly renovated Kids’ Vacation Center opened to rave reviews and further solidified Steamboat’s position as the #1 Family Resort in North America. The relocation and realignment of the Buckaroo magic carpet lift ensures a better learning environment in the new One Steamboat Place snow area. A magic carpet is a state-of-the-art conveyor lift that has revolutionized kids’ programs by quadrupling the number of runs kids take per hour.

 

Hike & Bike Master Plan: The first two freeride mountain bike trails for what will become a bike park in the central part of Mt. Werner have been mapped, walked and flagged by renowned trail-building company Gravity Logic, and the proposed paths are being studied by the U.S. Forest Service to ensure they meet all the right safety and environmental guidelines. Pending public comment and USFS approval, construction of these two new trails and other trail improvements could start as early as next spring.

 

Miscellaneous: The resort will build a two-story maintenance bay for Sunshine Express as well as make upgrades to the Preview and Gondola gear boxes, Morningside control system and Christie Peak Express awning. Additionally, the company will continue to expand key environmental strategies including its comprehensive Zero-Waste initiative (recipient of the 2010 NSAA Silver Eagle Award); snowmobile eco-conversion program; Energy Star Food & Beverage appliance plan; and Information Technology fiber management campaign.
  

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Added more chairs to the one lift they have at Silverton.  

http://www.silvertonmountain.com/page/goods/press/article&article_id=45

 

Looks like they sold out of the season pass that includes a heli trip to Alaska.

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Crystal Mt gets the new Mount Rainier 8 person Gondi.  It will be very nice in many ways: out of the weather to the upper mountain, over 2400' vertical in less than 10 minutes, 1st gondi in the state.  Like the Bridger expansion it really will not add any terrain though.  

 

The lift will open up Crystal for: the Mountain House for possible year round usage, future zip line rides, future mountain bike trails.  Crystal is also adding a park this summer, that could change the complexion of the mountain even more.  What is good for summer usage should be good for skiers too, I hope.

 

White Pass has added 2 new quads and over 750 acres of new lift served terrain.  That could be some of the bigger news in these parts.

I don't see that as good for skiers at all. More lifts, same terrain, already way way overcrowded.

 

I guess it could be good for skiers that go to the other areas in Washington.

 

On the other hand, the expansion at white Pass does add 767 acres and 2 new lifts. I'm interested to get down there and check that out.
 

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