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Link grabbed from Facebook for a promo video showing Atomic race ski production. They say "handmade" but workers shuffling pieces between robots doesn't exactly fit my definition of handmade but....

 

http://www.youtube.com/v/LLxiT3mzxJ8&hl=en_US

post #2 of 12

Most machines can produce items like a ski with more precision and accuracy than an average person, I am sure there are highly skilled craftsman who can rival any robotic production line, but in general, there's nothing wrong with a properly built and maintained machine, Its still takes a person to ensur ethe machine is running correctly, ensure the right materials are used (wood with burs, warped wood, graphics wrong, etc) lineup the product, place the pieces together for pressing and such, a person really can't press the skis by hand,  the machine can also make much more accurate cutouts with tollerances of well under a MM.  The real idfference is going to be the quality of the materials used and if all the procedures are followed in the production.  There's discussion right now on TGR about a batch of S6's that appear to have production issues due to the skis not being allowed to setup properly before being shrink wrapped.

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I am not debating hand vs. machine, and all of your points are valid. It's was more that they emphasized "handmade" in the video and in the FB posting. To me, handmade means that a human was doing the work on a machine, not a CN machine with a human moving pieces from one to the other.

post #4 of 12

That is what hanmade means nowadays...

Second; I am pretty sure their quality control is second to none, not like in some Chinese factory..

And that is what really matters..

 

I've heard/ but not sure of and can't provide any facts/ that it iakes around 2 days to complete a pair os skis...

IF this is correct and they are really handmade, they will be hard to get and will be called ATOMIC-BENTLEY skis..

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Second; I am pretty sure their quality control is second to none, not like in some Chinese factory..

 

Please, tell us of your experiences with inferior build quality in skis made in China, or if you don't have any, qualify this comment as a baseless assumption.

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Please, tell us of your experiences with inferior build quality in skis made in China, or if you don't have any, qualify this comment as a baseless assumption.

 

As an interesting aside with regards to the inferior side of things produced in China, read "Poorly Made In China" and "The China Price" for a point of view on the manufacturing environment in China. Makes you think twice about those products produced there, especially low to mid-end products that are high-volume and low-margin commodities.
 

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I wasn't referring to gross generalizations about Chinese goods, but specifically to skis produced there, as I've heard good things about the build quality of Chinese made skis from people who have actual experience with them, and dubious presentiments from those who don't. It sounds like you fall into the latter group, am I wrong?

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As an interesting aside with regards to the inferior side of things produced in China, read "Poorly Made In China" and "The China Price" for a point of view on the manufacturing environment in China. Makes you think twice about those products produced there, especially low to mid-end products that are high-volume and low-margin commodities.
 

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They say "handmade" but workers shuffling pieces between robots doesn't exactly fit my definition of handmade but....





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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

Most machines can produce items like a ski with more precision and accuracy than an average person, I am sure there are highly skilled craftsman who can rival any robotic production line, but in general, there's nothing wrong with a properly built and maintained machine, Its still takes a person to ensur ethe machine is running correctly, ensure the right materials are used (wood with burs, warped wood, graphics wrong, etc) lineup the product, place the pieces together for pressing and such, a person really can't press the skis by hand,  the machine can also make much more accurate cutouts with tollerances of well under a MM.



Simple fact that everything made by machine is more consistent, and can be tuned to not even a millimeter, but into the nanometers. "Handmade" these days refers to anytime a person handles the basic materials. I'm sure Atomic even has test lots of skis which undergo simulated, and real testing.

 

I have to admit, the video was much better than the usual feel good corporate nonsense.

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Ski Logik for one.... not exactly a player though!

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Originally Posted by volantaddict View Post


I wasn't referring to gross generalizations about Chinese goods, but specifically to skis produced there, as I've heard good things about the build quality of Chinese made skis from people who have actual experience with them, and dubious presentiments from those who don't. It sounds like you fall into the latter group, am I wrong?

post #10 of 12

Another thing to note. This was a video of their race ski production line. I'm sure they want uniformity throughout. Not a lot of room for variance between skis. Even then. A lot of what you saw was the material being CNC prepped, dye subliminated, etc. Most of your boutique brands still use the same methods, they just don't do it in house.

post #11 of 12

I just wish they would slow down the video, I'd love to see the detail.

 

post #12 of 12

The guy was still stacking the layers by hand.

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