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Poll Results: What will AC's lawyer claim he had?

Poll expired: Mar 20, 2013 This is a multiple choice poll
  • 0% of voters (0)
    Strung out Chinese chikkin
  • 40% of voters (2)
    horsemeat sausages 'specialty of glorious nation of Kazakhstan'
  • 0% of voters (0)
    15 asthmatic soigneurs and a pair of missing reading glasses, of course he grabbed the wrong inhaler
  • 20% of voters (1)
    Chorizo that's been curing since 1975, aka 'fossil' Clenbuterol
  • 0% of voters (0)
    airline fud
  • 40% of voters (2)
    taken a nip off Vino's drink bottle
5 Total Votes  
post #31 of 46

I don't really follow this stuff. But, I find it interesting.

 

If plasticizer is the bags, and presumably the tubing for the transfusions...How are the testors taking the samples?

 

Aren't the tubes, containers, etc. used for collection made of the same stuff?

 

I think a strong argument could be made for contamination this way.

post #32 of 46

This stuff isn't really news or interesting.  Pro bikers dope...all of them..some are better at it than others.....why should I care?

post #33 of 46
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Originally Posted by newfydog View Post
Bringing it back to skiing, I remember Primoz telling me the Eastern block, like Russians and Kazahks didn't dope any more than other teams.  Funny, I havn't seen the Canadian team being threatened with exclusion from the Olympics

And you think money, and a bit of general "hate" towards ex-eastern block, doesn't play the role here? wink.gif In 2001 there was Nordic WCH in Lahti, where they caught almost complete Finnish team (with Isometsa, Kirvesniemi, Myllya, Kuitunen and Jauho, plus Immonen, but he never played significant role in xc skiing so everyone tend to forget him), and noone ever mentioned to cancel every year's WC opening in Kuusamo, every year's WC in Lahti (Lahti games), not to mention there was no request about exclusion of Finnish team from any competition, including running WCH in Lahti. Even though they caught Varis (3 or even 4 times... twice in xc skiing and once or twice in biathlon) in years following, there was still no such request toward and of Finnish teams. 

PS: Just to clear any possible misunderstanding... I have nothing against Finns. My wife is Finn, my agency does whole lot of work for Finnish photo agency, so there's nothing bad about this. But I just picked this case, to show you that latest "request" from FIS (which in reality are not as strong as presented in media), have also some other reason, not just pure fight against doping wink.gif

PS #2: I don't know how complete, accurate or up to date is this list:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sportspeople_sanctioned_for_doping_offences

but based on this, there were 4 Russians found positive, one more from "eastern block" (Kowalczyk, Poland), and everyone else (14 out of 19) are from "never been doping or cheating" west wink.gif One German, ok officially when caught Spanish (Muhlegg), 5 Austrians (plus their coach Walter Mayer who has life ban from IOC to ever attend any sport event as athlete, coach, or any other official),  and 8 Finns. So based on this statistics, "eastern" block is not really all that bad, don't you think so?

post #34 of 46


I hope i didn't come across as sounding in favor of these kind of activities. I'm sure Contador and others didn't get into the place they are now cleanly.

 

I find the science interesting. The whole German science thing is kind of aggravating. We are ze Germans our purity is impecable! Yeah well, did ya check the tubes? We will not be scrutinized!

 

Remember the whole sponaneous cold water fusion debacle?

 

They are still fighting over water bubbling in those tubes. Probably saw it on the news. The whole thing was busted open by a Northern virginia community college prof. He couldn't reproduce the cold fusion, experiment in his cheap porcelin crucibles. It was then found that the waterfrom the 'famous' cold water fusion expeiment was contaminated with the metal titanium from expensive crucibles.The Ti was the fuel for the combustion.

 

If someone is to be busted, the science should be sound.

 

 

Cute kid you have BTW. My little girl is 3.5 years old. She is going to "ski with daddy" this year.
 

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Originally Posted by UGASkiDawg View Post

This stuff isn't really news or interesting.  Pro bikers dope...all of them..some are better at it than others.....why should I care?



 

post #35 of 46

This is pretty good:

 

http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/ 

 

 

 

As everybody knows by now, a drug quiz administered during the Tour de France revealed that Contador had like a trillionth of a gram of a fad diet drug in his system, and it has since been revealed that there was also "plasticizer" in his blood, which means one of three things: 1) His blood may have come out of a bag; 2) He may be "running" those new Gore Ride On plastic arteries; or 3) He is in fact the comic book superhero known as "Plastic Man." Of course, the "plasticizer" test has yet to be validated by the World Anti-Doping Agency, so Contador's main concern is explaining the fad diet drug, hence the whole "meat" story--or, as the cook calls it in the above article, "The Notorious Day of the Steak."

 
But while the cook insists Astana has the meat receipt, they have yet to produce it, which is now prompting everybody in the world who has ever padded an expense report to ask, "How long does it take a bunch of bike racers to whip up a phony receipt, anyway?". Really, all you need to do is pull something like this out from between the seat cushions on the team bus:
 
 
 
post #36 of 46

Nice detective work there Newfy!

post #37 of 46
Thread Starter 

Contador /should/ get banned.   

 

For using a doctor so behind the times as to spec a PVC bag. 

 

 

...but seriously folks, is there any such animal on the market as a non-PVC hydration reservoir?

 

 

 

P.S. (I was just on the REI page where they claim their Camelbaks etc have no bisphenol-A.   Well, duh.   Of course they don't, they're not epoxy-lined cans.  And, of course, they -all- apparently have a possible DEHP content, and REI doesn't want to tell you about /that/.)

 

P.P.S.  Aha.  Platypus are polyethylene/polyurethane apparently.


Edited by comprex - 10/8/10 at 10:20am
post #38 of 46

aH!  It just gets better!  The Spanish meat industry is all pissed off at Contador, because they don't allow such shit in their beef

 

Now a snitch, telling the story matching the scenario we predicted a few posts back.  Adios, Pistolero!

 

 

Spaniard accused of withdrawing blood in June

Belgian magazine Humo has published allegations on its website that Alberto Contador used Clenbuterol during the Criterium du Dauphiné in June. The magazine quoted an anonymous source close to his Astana team, who also alleged that Contador withdrew blood after the event to be used for a transfusion at a later date.

 

Humo’s unnamed source from the Astana set-up claimed that Contador used Clenbuterol in order to lose weight. The source suggests that it was used in combination with the thyroid hormone Triiodothyronine, which aids in the digestion of fat.

“During the Dauphiné, Contador was still a little overweight,” the source told Humo. “Ordinary people would not notice, but he was still a kilo or two off. That’s what Clenbuterol is used for: to lose the last kilos and at the same time not decrease muscle mass, or in the best case, increase it.”

Contador finished in second place overall at the Dauphiné, winning the queen stage to l’Alpe d’Huez.

The source close to the Astana team then continued to state that after the Dauphiné, Contador withdrew some of his blood with a view to undergoing a transfusion later on, and that this is may be one explanation for the traces of Clenbuterol found in his urine sample of July 21 at the Tour de France.

“In the period between the Dauphiné and the Tour, Contador withdrew blood in small bags so as not to alter his values for the biological passport," the source said to Humo. ""The withdrawals happened while there was still a trace of Clenbuterol in his blood."

The interview will be published in full in the print edition of the magazine on Tuesday. 

 

Spaniard accused of withdrawing blood in June

Belgian magazine Humo has published allegations on its website that Alberto Contador used Clenbuterol during the Criterium du Dauphiné in June. The magazine quoted an anonymous source close to his Astana team, who also alleged that Contador withdrew blood after the event to be used for a transfusion at a later date.

Contador has repeatedly denied knowingly using Clenbuterol and has refuted claims cited in L’Équipe that his positive sample for the substance is explicable by a blood transfusion during the Tour de France. The Spanish rider has since stated that he will not speak to the press on the matter again until after a ruling has been made on his case.

Humo’s unnamed source from the Astana set-up claimed that Contador used Clenbuterol in order to lose weight. The source suggests that it was used in combination with the thyroid hormone Triiodothyronine, which aids in the digestion of fat.

“During the Dauphiné, Contador was still a little overweight,” the source told Humo. “Ordinary people would not notice, but he was still a kilo or two off. That’s what Clenbuterol is used for: to lose the last kilos and at the same time not decrease muscle mass, or in the best case, increase it.”

Contador finished in second place overall at the Dauphiné, winning the queen stage to l’Alpe d’Huez.

The source close to the Astana team then continued to state that after the Dauphiné, Contador withdrew some of his blood with a view to undergoing a transfusion later on, and that this is may be one explanation for the traces of Clenbuterol found in his urine sample of July 21 at the Tour de France.

“In the period between the Dauphiné and the Tour, Contador withdrew blood in small bags so as not to alter his values for the biological passport," the source said to Humo. ""The withdrawals happened while there was still a trace of Clenbuterol in his blood."

The interview will be published in full in the print edition of the magazine on Tuesday 

 

 

 

 

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/astana-source-alleges-contador-used-clenbuterol-at-criterium-du-dauphine

Spaniard accused of withdrawing blood in June

Belgian magazine Humo has published allegations on its website that Alberto Contador used Clenbuterol during the Criterium du Dauphiné in June. The magazine quoted an anonymous source close to his Astana team, who also alleged that Contador withdrew blood after the event to be used for a transfusion at a later date.

Contador has repeatedly denied knowingly using Clenbuterol and has refuted claims cited in L’Équipe that his positive sample for the substance is explicable by a blood transfusion during the Tour de France. The Spanish rider has since stated that he will not speak to the press on the matter again until after a ruling has been made on his case.

Humo’s unnamed source from the Astana set-up claimed that Contador used Clenbuterol in order to lose weight. The source suggests that it was used in combination with the thyroid hormone Triiodothyronine, which aids in the digestion of fat.

“During the Dauphiné, Contador was still a little overweight,” the source told Humo. “Ordinary people would not notice, but he was still a kilo or two off. That’s what Clenbuterol is used for: to lose the last kilos and at the same time not decrease muscle mass, or in the best case, increase it.”

Contador finished in second place overall at the Dauphiné, winning the queen stage to l’Alpe d’Huez.

The source close to the Astana team then continued to state that after the Dauphiné, Contador withdrew some of his blood with a view to undergoing a transfusion later on, and that this is may be one explanation for the traces of Clenbuterol found in his urine sample of July 21 at the Tour de France.

“In the period between the Dauphiné and the Tour, Contador withdrew blood in small bags so as not to alter his values for the biological passport," the source said to Humo. ""The withdrawals happened while there was still a trace of Clenbuterol in his blood."

The interview will be published in full in the print edition of the magazine on Tuesday 

 

post #39 of 46

Why would he use Clenbuterol during the Dauphine? Did he not get tested when he won the stage? If he was, and did not test positive, doesn't that cast some doubt on the anonymous source?

 

I heard the cow was from Manolo Saiz' private herd and they were all prepped by Dr. Fuentes.

post #40 of 46
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Why would he use Clenbuterol during the Dauphine?


I heard it was because Astana coudn't buy the motor&battery expert away from Saxobank and Cancellara, they were still having unpaying sponsor issues.

post #41 of 46

Sorry for the screwed up post format above.  It wouldn't paste, and now won't edit.

 

I guess I don't have my drugs right today

post #42 of 46
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Sorry for the screwed up post format above.  It wouldn't paste, and now won't edit.

 

I guess I don't have my drugs right today



There's a mechanical doping/automation/software joke in there, but I can't find it atm.    My chemical doping is off too.

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post #43 of 46

So Pat McQuaid says the Spanish need to try harder with the doping enforcement. Doesn't busting 5 guys in a week (plus maybe 5 more soon) indicate that they are enforcing?

 

PS - what are the chances Tommy D ends up on the Vuelta podium by the end of the year?

post #44 of 46
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Originally Posted by newfydog View Post

Now a snitch, telling the story matching the scenario we predicted a few posts back.  Adios, Pistolero!

Spaniard accused of withdrawing blood in June

Belgian magazine Humo has published allegations on its website that Alberto Contador used Clenbuterol during the Criterium du Dauphiné in June. The magazine quoted an anonymous source close to his Astana team, who also alleged that Contador withdrew blood after the event to be used for a transfusion at a later date.

Contador has repeatedly denied knowingly using Clenbuterol and has refuted claims cited in L’Équipe that his positive sample for the substance is explicable by a blood transfusion during the Tour de France. The Spanish rider has since stated that he will not speak to the press on the matter again until after a ruling has been made on his case.

Humo’s unnamed source from the Astana set-up claimed that Contador used Clenbuterol in order to lose weight. The source suggests that it was used in combination with the thyroid hormone Triiodothyronine, which aids in the digestion of fat.

“During the Dauphiné, Contador was still a little overweight,” the source told Humo. “Ordinary people would not notice, but he was still a kilo or two off. That’s what Clenbuterol is used for: to lose the last kilos and at the same time not decrease muscle mass, or in the best case, increase it.”

Contador finished in second place overall at the Dauphiné, winning the queen stage to l’Alpe d’Huez.

The source close to the Astana team then continued to state that after the Dauphiné, Contador withdrew some of his blood with a view to undergoing a transfusion later on, and that this is may be one explanation for the traces of Clenbuterol found in his urine sample of July 21 at the Tour de France.

“In the period between the Dauphiné and the Tour, Contador withdrew blood in small bags so as not to alter his values for the biological passport," the source said to Humo. ""The withdrawals happened while there was still a trace of Clenbuterol in his blood."

The interview will be published in full in the print edition of the magazine on Tuesday 

 


 

When there's more then one "snitch" (often even snitch with name) telling similar things about Lance, it's definitely some sort of conspiracy just to discredit Armstrong. When it's about someone else (even though it's from anonymous source), it's right away "adios Pistolero". wink.gif

post #45 of 46
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Originally Posted by primoz 


 

When there's more then one "snitch" (often even snitch with name) telling similar things about Lance, it's definitely some sort of conspiracy just to discredit Armstrong. When it's about someone else (even though it's from anonymous source), it's right away "adios Pistolero". wink.gif



 

Nice strawman!  Where is anyone claiming Lance didn't top off the oil?

 

So, you doubt the anonymous source.  You think a guy who raced for Saiz, Brunyeel, and Astana has had a clean career. 

 

(I know you never made those claims, just showing  the door swings both ways )

 

Adios just the same.  No way they can let him off with a positive and corroborating info.  Lance was slippery, smart, and influental enough that he never got into the corner the finger banger is in.

post #46 of 46

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Where is anyone claiming Lance didn't top off the oil?


There's a whole thread in this section going about this. And very very few think he did/does take something, while most of them think it's just big French conspiracy against clean Americans wink.gif

Otherwise no, I certainly don't say he's clean. I was in this (once again, even though I'm repeating myself, it wasn't cycling) long enough, that I know how top level pro sport works. So I don't have ideal views about clean, but really good athletes, and cheating other ones.

And yes excuses like "I just eat steak" are ridiculous. He knows what he is doing, he knows what he was/is taking, so when both A and B tests are positive, you do what Ricco, or all previously mentioned Finns in xc skiing did... admit, serve 2 years ban and be back, or quit. Another thing goes on my nerves are accusations of others who are doing exactly same. It's really funny when someone is so much against doping, and so much for giving life ban to "cheaters", and then half year later his tests are positive, or they even caught him before. Millar is great sample of this. Guy with memory of gold fish, who obviously forgot they caught him just few years ago, is now first one blaming everyone about doping.

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