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post #451 of 477

So happy this thread was resurrected - I really missed it. wink.gif rolleyes.gif

post #452 of 477

Doing a little bathroom reading today, Ski Magazine, Buyers Guide, Oct 2010. On page 73, in a mini review of the Rossignol S86 I find the following...

 

   "Sidecut and traditional camber underfoot"

 

With ya so far.

 

   "But rocker and reverse camber tip-and-tail"

 

Rocker I get, but just what the Hell is "reverse camber tip-and-tail"?

post #453 of 477

its Ski Magazine not understanding rocker (run/rise)...... 

post #454 of 477
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Originally Posted by jc-ski View Post

Doing a little bathroom reading today, Ski Magazine, Buyers Guide, Oct 2010. On page 73, in a mini review of the Rossignol S86 I find the following...

 

   "Sidecut and traditional camber underfoot"

 

With ya so far.

 

   "But rocker and reverse camber tip-and-tail"

 

Rocker I get, but just what the Hell is "reverse camber tip-and-tail"?


I'd guess that they meant reverse sidecut tip and tail.

post #455 of 477

that would make more sense....

post #456 of 477

Finally skied my S3's today, as I have to get used to them before our Colorado trip.  No fresh snow, groomers, even some icy ones.  Typical NE frontside skiing.

 

They were amazing, and this is not even what they're supposed to be good at!

 

No problem with edge hold, and carving, although they certainly like pivot, er. steering, um - rotary movements.  They like to turn, maybe a tiny bit swimmy, but I adjusted quickly and could easily get them over on edge.  Skied the steepest iciest trails just to see, and honestly, I can't say they were much worse then my carvers - 98 under foot and they did that!  Amazing.

 

I felt balanced and comfortable on them.  It really wasn't that big a difference from my skinny skis, which really surprised me.

 

Went in some small hard bumps and they just turned and absorbed.  

 

I CANNOT WAIT TO GET THEM IN SOME SOFT SNOW!     Colorado here we come!

post #457 of 477

nice, SMJ, enjoy. Storms are lining up for you.

 

post #458 of 477

I was skiing today with my ski buddy who has the new S3 and he loves them also!! On tuesday we skied 2ft of fresh light blower powder and I was on 127mm waisted EP pros and he was right there with me the whole time floating nice!! Today we were in foot deep heavy WET snow temps were above zero and snowing almost like sleat that was accuaulating rapidly!! We were soaked to the bone buy the end of the day. He had no trouble at all. He accually said this was one of his best days skiing all season!!?? So youve skied yours on ice and there rest is everything inbetween. Just saying you made a great ski choise. They sure do seem to do it all. Ive tryed his ski as they have demo binders on and I really loved how smooth and easy they ski also. BTW he is mounted 2cm or so back. He has gotten better and better the more he skis the S3. They charge they zip moguls float in powder rail groomer and even make you dinner.biggrin.gif

post #459 of 477

I rockered the front end of my old road bike yesterday.....went over a 2 foot drop and pushed the headset and fork ahead about 5degrees...

 

I wonder how this combo will ski now?

 

post #460 of 477

 This is a great forum. I haven't seen much on Rossi skis, so I thought I would add my experience. I ski in MN as well as in Steamboat. I am used to having one pair of skis that hold on hardpack and ice, and another that are more suited to powder and soft snow. I was in Steamboat in Dec. and decided to give the S3 a try after reading about them. The shop owner said everyone there who had tried them had bought them.  I had them for my last 2  days. Was only going to do one, but I didn't want to give them up! I have never skied a true rocker before, and expected it to do well in the soft and fresh snow, but it would get dicey when it got skied off. Expected to slide down the hill. First, I was surprised that there was no adjustment period. In the soft and powder they were intuitive. Whatever I wanted them to do, they responded. They were precise yet so easy. Way too much fun! The afternoon push piles didn't phase them, and they held perfectly on the steep and skied off runs. It was really hard to believe they could do it all. Especially when I saw them on someone else in the lift line. I thought there was no way those odd looking boards could perform so well all over the mountian.

When I got home I bought a pair and took them out to my home hill. This snow is hard. You can't jam a ski pole in more than an inch. Once I got them on edge they carved and held as well as any ski I have been on. A couple of guys who were getting in some race training were very impressed, just shook their heads when they stopped me to see what I was skiing. I just returned from 2 weeks in Steamboat, and they just got better. An older friend tried them for a day and his skiing improved at least 25% and he said he felt so much better on them. He has new Nordica's, about 15 days on them, and he ordered a pair of S3's as soon as he got home. To date, 4 of my buddies who have tried them have bought them. The hard part is finding them. I don't know about any other rockers, but in my experience these live up to what has been written about them. If I could only have one pair of skis, I would be very happy to live with these, I have never been on skis that were so much fun and performed so well.

I'm not going to say they will be for everyone, but if you have a chance to try them, you really should. Rossi hit it out of the park with these.

post #461 of 477

Yes the new S3 is a great ski for sure. BUT what untill next year. Some of the new Vokls,Lines and Armadas will change your life for the better on snow! The Rossis are great also. I met a guiy today up skiing on the 2012 S7 Super. Looked really sweet in white with dukes. He was ripping pretty hard on those in the spring like conditions.

post #462 of 477
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Originally Posted by whipper View Post

Yes the new S3 is a great ski for sure. BUT what untill next year. Some of the new Vokls,Lines and Armadas will change your life for the better on snow! The Rossis are great also. I met a guiy today up skiing on the 2012 S7 Super. Looked really sweet in white with dukes. He was ripping pretty hard on those in the spring like conditions.


How could you possibly know this?th_dunno-1[1].gif

 

BUT...., but what??? Rossignol has been making awesome skis for several seasons now (not even counting their entire history). Don't suppose they have any experience and data to keep it going do you? They have had a great ski for a while and have only had to rework the camber and the shape to get to the present incarnations:  S7 and S3

post #463 of 477

 How do I know what Davluri? I never disputed that Rossi makes great skis did I? Thers lots of great skis comming out. Lots of Compatition lattely. Thats a good thing.  The 2012 S3 is a great ski?  I spent a few days on them the other day. The new S7 Super? The fellow testing the 2012,s I talked to on the chair and saw him skiing them a few times bellow me down the face and on a run togeather later and he was doing pretty well I thought on them. He was given the 2011-2012 at SIA the week before some how? The white and green looked killer with the new Dukes. The new Volkls Shiro and Armada TST as well as the AK JJ were skied buy a buddy of mine who I trust saying they were all outstanding to ski on. They also had the perfict testing conditions. Everything from 2ft of blower,Groomed,Ice,bumps ect.. He liked the TST and Shiro a lot. Theres more skis he liked but those two stood out for him. Also the new 118 waisted EP pros he liked but the Shiro and TST stood out for him and the pros he went down with. The guy with the new 2012 Super7 said after skiing them at the show talked to the rep and he gave him a new unmounted pair that he put dukes on. Thats all I know. I was going for the AK JJ but decided on the 2011 EP pro when I found out they werent making the 127 waisted EP anymore. I love the EP on any snow we get so far up north. Lots of 2ft days lately and cold. i had a chance to ski them in deep wet junk also and they did OK. Lots of ski there so when the heavy wet snow gets stuck to the tops they get really heavy!! Other than that they are surprisingly nimble on groomed runs and tight trees. Charging they rock my world popping big time off everything. Spend more time in the air than on the snow. Lots of fun.

post #464 of 477

Just saying the 2012 or 2011, either way, the skis are fine. To say the 2012 is world changing is putting too much emphasis on the gear. This year, last year, next year; it's all good. Get a good pair of skis and go skiing, that's all.

post #465 of 477



 

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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

Just saying the 2012 or 2011, either way, the skis are fine. To say the 2012 is world changing is putting too much emphasis on the gear. This year, last year, next year; it's all good. Get a good pair of skis and go skiing, that's all.

 

  I do agree with that totally!! There's great skis from yesteryear's, today and sure to be more tomorrow.  The skis are changing and for the better for sure. As the rockerd tech matures it seems some of what may have been excessive is scaled down on some skis next year it seems? Allot of skiers like the rockered tips but wished for less in tails so thats what there getting. It seems to be a great combo. Also some {like Rossi} nailed it last and this year with the S3 and 7. Also the B3 Carbon is a ski a very high level ski instructor guy I know from my daughters ski team seems to love?

 

     I like allot of skiers when looking for a new ski WAY over think the process!! There cant be enough said for demo days were a reputable ski shop brings out a lot of brands to try. That has got to be the very best way there is for most of us to kill 5 birds with one stone. Highly Highly recommend this rout for picking a ski to ski if you cant decide. OR over think the whole process!!

 

post #466 of 477

Hi guys.  I just had my first experience on a tip rise ski, the Salomon Czar last weekend.  I don't know what I can bring to the discussion but I'll offer up my impressions after a day.

 

First of all, THe ski skied much shorter than expected when turning, but offered the stability of its true lenght, which was pretty handy in the trees.  It seemed to respond to rotary movements, which was irritating because I have spent the past few years trying to eliminate rotary to a great extent.  In cut up powder and steep icy bumps with cut up powder, these skis were way easier to ski than anything I have been on.  I had to resist trying to engage the tips too early or I went over the handlebars if I hit an unseen obstacle, but all said and done, they worked better than a conventional ski.  Just kind of wierd using a lot of rotary.

 

As for powder skiiing, the jury is still out.  I must be used to a little more tip pressure in powder because although I was on longer skis than normal, I felt like there was nothing up in front in 2-3 feet of powder and it was "different".    I think I ended up relying on more rotary than carving.  Don't know.  All I know is my powder turns felt and looked different than usual.  I don't tend to sit back in powder - in fact quite the opposite - but I felt back on these skis.  Not to the extent my thighs hurt, but maybe on my heels.  Not sure I was, but the skis felt that way - lack of tip contact?  Don't know. 

 

I will definitely be trying rocker skis some more. They are different for sure and appear to better at some things.  I'll be using some Salomon full rocker skis next week in powder hopefully and we'll see how that works out.


Greg

post #467 of 477
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Originally Posted by whipper View Post

 How do I know what Davluri? I never disputed that Rossi makes great skis did I? Thers lots of great skis comming out. Lots of Compatition lattely. Thats a good thing. 
 

 

 

Lol...  Don't worry, Davloses just gets mad when a new ski trend comes out that wasn't OK'd by him first.  He's still a little butthurt about how sweet rocker is if you couldn't tell. I still have no idea why he feels so threatened by it, but you really have to take his posts with a grain of salt as his mind is seemingly on ski tech interlodge...  Indefinitely.   

 

BTW got in some great on piste and VTBC pow turns on my 110 waisted & rockered PM Gear carbon FAT BROs over the past fews days.  Loving mine too, from crust to pow they just slay everything...      

 

...  Now back to the most embarassingly ill-informed and blockheaded thread on Epic...       

 

 

 


 

post #468 of 477
Just read the entire thread.............
I would love to hear some of the opinions of the first what the hell is this rocker s@&t guys now, as we enter the 2013 season and early rise (rocker) is now a proven technology in 90% of the skis today.
It's kinda like a microwave oven what the hell would i want one of those things for?

Still love my full camber 191 kneissel t@nkers, adore my Mantras with rocker tip, and just sprung for the 2011/12 Katanas ( full rocker) will probably add a Shiro to the mix and still have my 222cm dh race skis too and take them out at least three times a season for sh@&s and giggles

Thank god or K2 for rocker especially now that I'm getting older

I just got fully back into skiing last season and didn't even know rocker existed, much less what itbwas. But I listened and learned and am so stoked on it. I'm jealous of these lucky little bass tards having this technology now. Just think if this was available when I was in my twenties (80's) the beginning of this whole free skiing thing we used to call "extreme" skiing. Hell Volant Chubbs were just coming out and they mounted those things to the inside edge back then.
post #469 of 477

Just for fun in case you want even more more of a historical picture (make note of the dates).  

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/81305/modern-ski-design-fight

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/62540/a-credible-rockered-carver

 

There are many other related historical goodies probably findable by search. Some of the more recent discussions....well, let's just say that in their own way they lend credence to the general theme of the old adage that says "failure is an orphan, but success has many fathers".  


Edited by spindrift - 9/5/12 at 10:03pm
post #470 of 477

and there are still many who just don't get it!  Welcome chief.  

post #471 of 477

Technologies change part in parcel to ensure that you must buy the latest technology.  This said, change is not always a bad thing.  Lately, the drive in ski technology as been to make it easier to ski the most terrain by most skiers. Currently, I think Rocker technology is starting to stabilize and in about 2 to 3 seasons, little more will be done (other than minor tuneups), before the next fad (new tech) must come along and starts to follow the same course (no pun intended).

 

I have tried one set of rocker skis last season for 2 runs, now for me they didn't do much (they were also an intermediate ski and I think I skied them beyond the expected range) .....but again I was transitioning from Straights to Shaped to demoing rockers.  I think depending on the slope time (some of this group are oh so lucky) the appreciation may be better. Based on my style/and terrain for skiing, I'm not sure that would fully appreciate rockers at this point.

 

Based on what I understand, rockers could be a great ski for powder/all mountain vs hard pack/all mountain.  (I do have a preference for GS type skis, that need to be worked).

 

My interpretation of the best ski is one that it does all that you you want well, in the conditions that you ski most and OK/good in the ones that you ski least.

 

Hopefully on this post I haven't put my foot (boot) into my mouth.

post #472 of 477

Rocker Rocker Rocker Rocker Rocker Rocker Rocker Rocker Rocker Rocker Rocker Rocker Rocker Rocker Rocker Rocker Rocker Rocker Rocker Rocker Rocker Rocker Rocker Rocker Rocker Rocker Rocker Rocker...

 

post #473 of 477

I still only use my rockered skis exclusively in deep snow.  Camber and normal sidecut for hardpack.

post #474 of 477
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Originally Posted by FujativeOCR View Post

I still only use my rockered skis exclusively in deep snow.  Camber and normal sidecut for hardpack.

 

What do you use for snow that's in between?

post #475 of 477

When I got the S7 for my powder ski, I knew it meant that I would be using my 97mm skis a lot more, set up crud and tracked snow would be handled with the Legend Pro's more now.

post #476 of 477

Yawn.  

post #477 of 477

^^^ Seriously. We need some snow. Threads like this encourage permanent brain damage. 

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