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No "snap" at 78?

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Hi everyone,

 

First post. I ski at Sun Peaks in Kamloops, BC, Canada (West). I have been boarding for the past few years but now I want to get my 3 year old son into skiing so I am coming back to the dark side (skiing).

 

I am an advanced (not expert) skiier who can handle black diamonds but not double blacks. I would love a one quiver ski on a deal from last year.

 

My passion is short radius turns, I like a lively, snappy ski. However because I live out west, I would like the most versatile version of that. I am looking at Head Peak 78. The local store has one left from last year, a 183. I am 6'2" and 220 but since I like short turns should I be looking for a 177?

 

Anyway, it doesn't look like there is much liveliness, snap or rebound in any 78mm waist ski? Am I wrong on this? Any other skis you would recommend?

 

I would love to demo but I just want a deal from last year and my last set of skis was a pair of 200cm K2 TRC's so anything new should be an improvement. But no complaints from my old TRC's, just not the best in deep snow (neither was their operator).

 

Thanks for your recommendations.

 

Oh, and when it dumps here it is only about 6 inches of new snow and most of the time I am hunting the sides of the trails for new snow.

post #2 of 10

Hi - Welcome to Epic! The 183 would be the proper length for you, and last year's Peak 78 is a classic. The new version is different, less gusto. Unclear what you mean by "it doesn't look like there is much liveliness, snap or rebound in any 78 mm..." If you mean the Peak 78, it's fairly damp and smooth, meant to be, although should have plenty of pop if you're bending them. (At your weight, I'd assume that's a yes.) Other brands like Fischer, Atomic, or Blizzard will have a lot more snowfeel and liveliness. You might want to look at a Blizzard Magnum 8.1; light, fairly stiff, so you don't have go silly long, easy to maneuver, great 70/30 ski that can handle ice, some choppy bumps, and light pow nicely on the same day.

 

More generally, you may just be comparing them to an older ski. IMO, modern skis are overall smoother, easier to initiate, and more manageable to carve than old school straights, respond especially well to higher edge angles than you'd get (or want) on the oldies. Oldies had a lot of "pop" because those long stiff tails would fling you into next year if you actually could bend rather than skid them. 

post #3 of 10

i didnt enjoy riding heads too much because of this "dampness". I enjoy the herky jerky and all the bumps and ruts feel.

 

its up to what kind of skier, you are and what you like. Good ski otherwise

post #4 of 10

Heads are usually solid smooth and stable.  Try some Völkls if you want something more playful. Fischer's have a little more liveliness too.

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Originally Posted by Booya View Post

Hi everyone,

 

First post. I ski at Sun Peaks in Kamloops, BC, Canada (West). I have been boarding for the past few years but now I want to get my 3 year old son into skiing so I am coming back to the dark side (skiing).

 

I am an advanced (not expert) skiier who can handle black diamonds but not double blacks. I would love a one quiver ski on a deal from last year.

 

My passion is short radius turns, I like a lively, snappy ski. However because I live out west, I would like the most versatile version of that. I am looking at Head Peak 78. The local store has one left from last year, a 183. I am 6'2" and 220 but since I like short turns should I be looking for a 177?

 

Anyway, it doesn't look like there is much liveliness, snap or rebound in any 78mm waist ski? Am I wrong on this? Any other skis you would recommend?

 

I would love to demo but I just want a deal from last year and my last set of skis was a pair of 200cm K2 TRC's so anything new should be an improvement. But no complaints from my old TRC's, just not the best in deep snow (neither was their operator).

 

Thanks for your recommendations.

 

Oh, and when it dumps here it is only about 6 inches of new snow and most of the time I am hunting the sides of the trails for new snow.

 

liveliness has nothing to do with waist width. 

 

if you go beyond the sides of the trails I am sure you can find more than 6 inches of snow in BC.

 

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Originally Posted by Booya View Post

 

I am an advanced (not expert) skiier who can handle black diamonds but not double blacks. I would love a one quiver ski on a deal from last year.

 

My passion is short radius turns, I like a lively, snappy ski. However because I live out west, I would like the most versatile version of that. I am looking at Head Peak 78. The local store has one left from last year, a 183. I am 6'2" and 220 but since I like short turns should I be looking for a 177?

 

Anyway, it doesn't look like there is much liveliness, snap or rebound in any 78mm waist ski? Am I wrong on this? Any other skis you would recommend?

 

 

Short radius turns your passion is. A lively one ski quiver you search for. Probably nothing better to snap up than last years Rossignol Phantom SC87 Flat (130-87-116) non-system ski in the 178 cm length. Waist width and flex allows shorter length to support your height, weight and ability. Second best is probably last seasons K2 Xplorer Flat (128-84-112) in 177 cm.

 

To insure balance and versatility, you must choose a binding wisely to match your foot & leg type and boot model/size. Share this info and I will use the Force to help you make enlightened decisions. Private message or email is fine.

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^^^^ Booya, hope you realize this poster's a shill. If you think Heads are too damp, you don't want a Phantom or K2 Explorer. The latter is cadaver level damp, the former, just near-death damp. And the lengths are off for you also. Out. 

post #8 of 10
Thread Starter 

Thanks for your info Beyond. Yes, it takes all types in this world and on this forum as well:) It was interesting when I looked up the Blizzard you mentioned that it was first in rebound energy in it's class according to the Ski magazine testers, however because it had so much "energy" it didn't perform that well in crud and powder - my two weakest areas. So although I like the poppy skis, I have decided to try the Head Peak 78 and I went with the 183 length you recommended.

 

It will probably have more of a damp feel but as you say I can provide my own "pop" and this ski's other attributes and versatility should help me round out my game. Anyway, thanks again I am very excited with my purchase!

post #9 of 10

Ya did good. 

post #10 of 10

 

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Originally Posted by beyond View Post

^^^^ Booya, hope you realize this poster's a shill. If you think Heads are too damp, you don't want a Phantom or K2 Explorer. The latter is cadaver level damp, the former, just near-death damp. And the lengths are off for you also. Out. 

 

A shill? Afraid not beyond. Only 36 years of experience in the trenches and extensive equipment testing based on proven biomechanics. Primary goal… to protect skiers like Booya from "dark side" advice givers and magazine reviewers unknowingly biased by the effects of a myriad of boot and binding combinations.

 

Nothing against your personal opinions beyond, but every ski on the market can feel "cadaver level damp" or for that matter totally nervous and unstable when you're not optimally balanced on it...irregardless of how well ones boots are fit. The wrong binding stance can ruin everything. Just ask the best skiers on the World Cup and a few of the true experts on this forum.

 

If you ever experience beyond the Rossi Phantom, K2 Explorer and Heads, same day and conditions, as I have balanced, I know your on-snow experience will surprise you. Whether that would change your stated opinions would depend on you letting go of the fear I sense in you.

 

By the way Booya, my height and weight is very close to yours. No matter what ski you choose…pay more attention to your binding choice. Glad to assist via PM if you're still interested.

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