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Small Pigen toe problem

post #1 of 9
Thread Starter 
Hello all. Here is a question for you. I've notice a tendacny for me to not be able to bring in my free ski very close to my weighted ski's foot. As I pull my free foot back and in, I get more of a phantom move then a narrower stance. I've noticed this on several pairs of ski's so it may be bad technique or bio-mechanics. I am trying to work on the narrower stance to help with the mogles and backs.

Any ideas would be appreciated.
post #2 of 9
What is your goal as far as skiing with a narrow stance. If it's for looks or you think that is the only mark of a good skier, then it's time to re-evaluate your skiing goals. If it's a pigeon toed problem. then maybe some alignment work is in order.

over the past several years, I have been slowly working on widening my stance not narrowing it. I am slightly pigeon toed naturally but it does not seem to affect me too much. Unless you are trying to learn and planning to compete in zipperline mogul skiing, I don't think it's that necessary to have a tight/narrow stance skiing moguls. Just good solid technique seems to work fine.
post #3 of 9
Oh man dchan, SCSA's gonna grab this hook line and sinker and head for the weeds. : [img]tongue.gif[/img] :
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pierre eh!:
Oh man dchan, SCSA's gonna grab this hook line and sinker and head for the weeds. : [img]tongue.gif[/img] :<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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post #5 of 9
Thread Starter 
Maybe this is so obscure it will be below SCSA's radar.

Thank's for the comment. My goal is to try and find the best technique for me. And I don't care where it comes from. Right now I am giving HH's PMTS stuff a try (Remember what they said about rear ended cars at Indy back in the early 60's... Opps!!! Dating myself). I have found that what works and sticks is the best.

I am trying to improve my mogule skiing and to get ready to tackel some double black stuff by the end of the season. No problem with a shoulder or slightly narrower stance. And I can ski most stuff right now. I want to work on the narrower stance as another tool in the bag of tricks for when I need it. When I ski powder it dosn't seem to be a problem. But, when I go for the narrower stance on goomed, it seems that as I pull the free foot back and try to bring it in close to my weighted ski, it seems that I can't quite close the last 4 inches between my boots without starting to do a phantom javelen (That's where the pigion toe comes in). It just may be that I am using the wrong bio-mechanics to do this.
post #6 of 9

Active rotary steering on the inside ski is the key to not crossing your tips. That and a little more weight the inside on skis to get them to track together. (My take)
post #7 of 9
WAS--remember that a narrow(er) stance is the result of improving balance and good technique. The WORST way to achieve a narrow stance is to pull your feet together.

Remember that the same g-forces that pull YOU toward the outside of the turn also pull your inside SKI toward your outside ski. Far from pulling your skis together, good skiing requires RESISTING this force--actually pulling them APART!

This is what Dchan is referring to when he describes "active steering of the inside ski." If you don't pull the inside tip into the turn--away from the outside ski, the inside ski will interfere with the outside ski's ability to carve. Your only choices then are to go straight, or to push your outside tail OUT. Try this--hold your hands in front of you with the fingertips of your right hand touching the fingertips of your left hand. Now try to turn your right hand to the left (or vice-versa). It should be pretty obvious that, until you first pull your LEFT fingertips to the left, out of the way of the right fingers, you cannot move the right fingers left. The same goes for your toes--and your ski tips!

Of course, as soon as you DO pull the inside tip into the turn, the outside ski can turn as well, in a sense "chasing" the inside ski. So the stance can remain fairly narrow, if you choose. This is the sensation I feel in almost every turn--that I'm pulling my inside ski away from the outside ski, but that my outside ski keeps chasing it--all the way through the turn.

It sounds like you are experimenting with an open mind--keep it up! Try anything, but don't assume that something must be "right" just because Harb (or anyone else, including me) says it is! If something doesn't work--it may well not be your fault....

Best regards,
Bob Barnes
post #8 of 9
Thread Starter 
dchan & Bob --

Thanks for your imput. I thing both of you have given me something to try this weekend.

It soulds like I need to be a little more positive in my free/light foot management. Bob your idea made me think what may be happening is that I am not doing enough to put pressure on the little toe edge. Therefore, as I pull the ski back and in, the centrifugal force of the turn pulls the tip to the outside of the turn. I'll have to put in a muscle response pattern to correct this. Let you all know next week how this works.
post #9 of 9
Thread Starter 
OK all just got back. In the little time I could spend free skiing away from teaching my youngest about skiing, I got a chance to try a few things. Pushing the little toe down and in seems to have allowed me to bring the leg in closer. Thanks for your help.

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