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Remove bindings to tune edges ?

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 

I searched and couldn't find what I needed. Do shops remove the bindings to bevel the edges ?

post #2 of 18

Assuming this isn't a troll....

 

No.

post #3 of 18

You just need to get the brakes out of the way.  Many ways to do this, heavy elastics are used often.

post #4 of 18

By the way I do know of one high end tuner who removes bindings to do a base grind.  Mike Desantis - skimd.com

post #5 of 18
Thread Starter 

Nah, not a troll.

 

Was curious. I have watched some youtube videos of shops doing tunes and they removed the bindings on all the skis thay worked on.

post #6 of 18

Majority of the shops don't do it.. Some high level elite shops, remove the bindings in order to achieve optimum pressure over the entire ski for accurate material removal, when grinding...

Check this link:http://www.skimd.com/process.php

post #7 of 18

same link as me andy, but note the OP asked about edge tuning, not about base grinding.  I've never heard of binding removal for edge tuning.

post #8 of 18

Sorry SMJ, I didn't see you posted the link, cause it's in black...

You are right about  the OP orig. question, but if you don't have a good base grind your base bevel isn't so accurate.. Not to mention there isn't 0.5 degree base bevel on any skis in case if you want it in particular..

post #9 of 18
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Originally Posted by andy4g63 View Post

Sorry SMJ, I didn't see you posted the link, cause it's in black...

You are right about  the OP orig. question, but if you don't have a good base grind your base bevel isn't so accurate.. Not to mention there isn't 0.5 degree base bevel on any skis in case if you want it in particular..


Pretty much what I was getting at. They are most likely going to base grind before setting the bevel to make sure they have the base flat. So than there is a 99.99 % chance the bindings will come off. What do you mean there isn't a .5 degree base bevel ?

 

I'm in the middle of deciding what to do about the edges on all my skis in regards to bevel angle and if I will even do them. Now that I have 8 active pairs of skis (gear whore) I'm trying to decide on if I want to buy the tools to do it or have it done. I have many different pairs of skis that will require different bevels on most skis. That means more tools to buy (not that I mind). After all the reading it seems there is a good bit of work before beveling the edges in regards to base structure and I'm not sure I'm ready for all the prep work. Even though I mount all my own bindings I've a been hesitant to do the edges after all the posts I've been reading. 
 

post #10 of 18

What I meant was to achieve 0.5degree base bevel skis had to be grinded first to allow for 0.5bevel /cause they are above that-at least 1 degre if not more from manufacturer/ .. There aren't any skis that come 0.5 from factory..

post #11 of 18

andy is correct there.  If you are very concerned with ski geometry then you should get new skis ground to .5 - 1 degree base bevel.  Skis come from the manufacturer all over the place.  At best they'd be at 1.

 

I tune all my skis to 1 degree base bevel and 3 degree side.  Mike Desantis recommends having him set them to .5 because even with just diamond stone maintenance and no filing the bevel will increase with time.  

post #12 of 18

bmg, maintain your skis yourself and have no fear of filing and stoning your side edges.  You can always back file and start over again on the side edges.  I generally don't touch my base edges, or if I do it's light diamond stone with a guide.  Once you bevel the base edge too much there is no way to get the lower bevel back without stone grinding, or flat filing the bases (which no one recommends any more.)

post #13 of 18

Don't be afraid to tune.

 

Check out: http://www.slidewright.com/

 

Look at all the pages, ask questions here.

 

Mike does all my base grinding.  http://www.skimd.com/

 

Maybe let Mike grind and tune your skis, set all the edges, then you could maintain them yourself.

 

 

post #14 of 18

Actually it's not so clear as someone might think. In WC there are people who remove bindings when preparing skis, and then there are people who don't. Personally I never do and I never did, but there's quite few people who do it. 

When it comes to stone grinding, bindings always go off. At least when talking about real stuff, but I have no idea how it's done in "mass production" ski services.

post #15 of 18
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post

bmg, maintain your skis yourself and have no fear of filing and stoning your side edges.  You can always back file and start over again on the side edges.  I generally don't touch my base edges, or if I do it's light diamond stone with a guide.  Once you bevel the base edge too much there is no way to get the lower bevel back without stone grinding, or flat filing the bases (which no one recommends any more.)


So you leave the base bevel flat or "factory" and just bevel the side ?

post #16 of 18

For "home" tuning, do not remove bindings.

Shops have "bridges" to span bindings

during stone grinding.

I suspect on the world cup that bindings

get removed to make the grinding more

fluid or consistent. I bet most of the racers

at that level have system or plate binding

setups that make binding removal easier.

Removing them for home tuning is asking for

pullout problems.

post #17 of 18
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So you leave the base bevel flat or "factory" and just bevel the side ?



I'm sure he's implying that the base bevel was set during the grind done at a shop.  From that point on, he (most of us) will only do the side edges with a possible touch up of a burr on the base using stones; no files.

 

I'm personally very skeptical of factory tunes and usually have them ground first.  If you can swing it, send or drive them to Precision Tune (aka skimd).  Your skis will be perfect and if you go there and Mike happens to be around, he might give you a quick class on what you should/shouldn't do.  Next couple of weeks it will be a beautiful drive.

post #18 of 18
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Originally Posted by L&AirC View Post





I'm sure he's implying that the base bevel was set during the grind done at a shop.  From that point on, he (most of us) will only do the side edges with a possible touch up of a burr on the base using stones; no files.

 

I'm personally very skeptical of factory tunes and usually have them ground first.  If you can swing it, send or drive them to Precision Tune (aka skimd).  Your skis will be perfect and if you go there and Mike happens to be around, he might give you a quick class on what you should/shouldn't do.  Next couple of weeks it will be a beautiful drive.

Exactly.  Factory would not be flat it would probably be 1 degree.  Ideally I would have Mike do it to .5, or otherwise I'd just take my chances on another shop doing a good stone grind, or hope that it is close to 1 from the factory.  I just wouldn't increase the bevel during maintenance tunes.
 

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