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Belafontes v. Shoguns, and/or something else to make a quiver

post #1 of 10
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I had the chance to demo both these skis in 182 last year, but briefly and not on the same day. I really liked both, almost for opposite reasons. Skied the Shoguns on a not entirely fresh day, and they were incredibly fun in the developing bumps, really poppy and playful, easy to bring around. I got on the Belafontes in a foot or 2 of not-superlight new snow, and they made it easy to initiate a turn in the thick stuff and then felt really powerful and solid once they were up on edge.

 

I'd kind of like to just get both pairs, but they're a little too close to each other for quiver work. I'm leaning toward picking up the Belafontes for bigger days (and backcountry) and maybe looking for something narrower than the Shogun for hardpack and bumps and a little more playfulness when it's not so fresh. Maybe a Dynastar Sultan 94 or Slicer, or Moment Tahoe, or Salomon Sentinel. Or would it be smarter to go wider for the big ski if I were to go this route? 182 Atlas? Katana? 6th Sense Huge?

 

I'm 5'11" and under 150, and ski around Tahoe.

post #2 of 10

Good skis.I see the Shogun as a OSQ ski really, and the Belafonte as a "charging" ski which is better complemented with another ski. It's not playful like the shogun, and better at busting through any type of snow rather than going around it like the shogun does due to its playful nature.

 

For tahoe, I would get the Belafonte and a 95mm ish ski for harder days. You do get some periods in tahoe where while you could ski on the belefonte, you will be much happier on something narrower and better in bumps,harder conditions ect but still ok for those days where there is some good off piste riding.

 

I'm going to be riding ON3P Wrenegades (similar to Belafonte) and Volkl Mantras this year in Tahoe.

 

I would go with the Belafonte and something like the Moment Tahoe, Salomon Sential, Volkl Mantra, Line Prophet ,Watea 94, Sultan ect. Pretty awesome two ski quiver for Tahoe IMO.

 

My $0.02

post #3 of 10

A lot of good choices, stop by the shop and can show you some options. 

post #4 of 10
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Thanks, Fields. That's pretty close to my thinking.

 

Tweaking things a little further, though, I feel like a ski like the Sentinel/Sultan/Mantra would be a great all-around stick for most days, but maybe not all THAT different in feel from the Belafonte. I'm kind of wondering if it would be worth giving up a little power in order to get something even more playful and bump-worthy like a Bridge or Slicer, just as more of a complement. I know I can't go too far wrong here, but I might as well really dial in the various quiver functions.

post #5 of 10

Fields hits the nail pretty square on.  I might also consider something in the "wide carver" category as a second ski -- something in the 80-90mm range with good stiffness to hold an edge on practically anything, but allow a little float (particularly given your light weight).  If you can find a used Fischer Big Stix 84 or 8.6 or AMC 79, that might be a great option.  (In fact, you're welcome to give my 176 AMC79s a try if you swing by Alpine Meadows; they have demo bindings.)

 

At your weight, I'd be very surprised if you needed something wider than the Belafonte for float in Tahoe.

 

One thing you haven't mentioned is how you like your turn radius.  At the risk of being the guy who, having finally learned how to use a hammer, now sees every problem as a nail, it's worth some thought.  I recently came to terms with the fact that I'm a long turn radius kind of guy; the AMC79s are pretty much the turniest ski I'll use.

post #6 of 10

90's

p-flites

Prof 90's

Pilgrims

sultan's

 

 

around 100

 

shoguns

 

dynastar slicer

 

moment tahoe (96)

 

Line Blends

 

line p-100

 

4frnt turbo

 

 

I haven't touched or flexed a Bela' but isn't that about as stiff as a Mo'ship?  TGR reviews indicated its a no bumps ski.. so tracked out trees may be an issue. Very cool TS's though!  I wish it was more "mortal" friendly. There aren't really many 105 skis out there.


Edited by Finndog - 9/20/10 at 1:30pm
post #7 of 10
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Well, for some insight into my default turn shape, I can tell you that I was on 180 Black Diamond Verdicts last year, and they were plenty wide-turning for me. They plowed through or over a lot of stuff, which was nice, and were a good bit of fun when I was on my game, but the 26m radius on such stiff skis could sometimes be a handful. The Belafontes and the Shoguns are about the same length and side-cut, but the rocker on the one and the flex of the other seemed to add maneuverability (or in the case of the Belafontes, maybe maintain maneuverability, while adding float and oomph).

 

And yeah, Finndogg, the Bela's might be somewhere along the lines of the Mo'ships (which I, for my part, have never touched, so it's also a guess). I kind of bounced the Belafontes through some small bumps without issue, but you're right, I don't think they'll be particularly at home in the real deal (hence my search for something fun to use on frontside days). Overall, though, they were a lot friendlier than I was expecting.


Edited by snowbody - 9/21/10 at 12:41am
post #8 of 10

thanks, I have been on a search myself for that 100-105 soft snow ski: tracked out but still stashes, good for soft bumps, quick enough for trees that are tracked. I really liked the mx88 (that I will use for more hard packed days) and didn't feel they are stiff at all, so I am starting to wonder if I would like a ski like a bela' with the added rocker profile and sidecut could make that a good option.

post #9 of 10

Finndog, Belafonte has a different feel to the Moship due to not having the metal in it that the Moship does. Moship is also a bit stiffer. I think it sounds pretty close to what you are looking for.

post #10 of 10
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

thanks, I have been on a search myself for that 100-105 soft snow ski: tracked out but still stashes, good for soft bumps, quick enough for trees that are tracked. I really liked the mx88 (that I will use for more hard packed days) and didn't feel they are stiff at all, so I am starting to wonder if I would like a ski like a bela' with the added rocker profile and sidecut could make that a good option.



Ahem

 

http://on3pskis.myshopify.com/collections/2010-2011skis/products/vicik

 

Just saying.

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