Do you wear a helmet or recommend wearing one while skiing? - Page 8

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Originally Posted by telerod15 

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Drunk again, telerod15?  

I just noticed this important thread with 210 posts.  Did I miss anything?

FWIW, I think helmet laws suck.

Also, this poll is flawed.

I made a point of missing the Street Vibrations event....every year.  I went on a 300 mile ride in the country with friends instead. 

Street Vibratoins is kinda like downtown Vail on President's Day.  Posers everywhere.

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Originally Posted by KingGrump 

More than 20,000 fatalities occur in bathroom in North America every year.

Yes, 20,000 dead, not just injured.   

Looking at the statistics - I'm more likely to die and/or injured in my own bathroom.

Boy, this is a fantastic example of faulty reasoning.

Let's see, if 20,000 fatalities occur in the bathroom annually in North America what does that mean?  Well, if you're leaving out Mexico (or are you?) you have around 400,000,000 or so in the US and Canada.  Let's say each person on average visits a bathroom 4x daily.  That's 1,600,000,000 (One billion, six hundred million) visits daily (I'll bet it's more).  Multiply that by 365.25 (average days in a year) and it's a whole bunch of potty breaks.  So we have a ratio of 20,000/1,600,000,000 X 365.25 injuries to bathroom visits.

So how many ski runs per year are made in N.A.?  I don't know, but it's a huge amount less than total trips to the bathroom.  And I don't know how many injuries happen on the ski slopes, but something tells me that the ratio of injuries in the bathroom compared with the ones related to skiing make skiing more risky, but I don't want to follow the statistics any farther because I'm lazy and I love to use unsupported statistics to bolster my point.

So this will have to do.

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Originally Posted by Philpug 

Nope, picks up right after the other helmets threads left off. 

 

BTW, did you head up to Reno for Street Vibrations?...where motorcycle helmets are required. 
 

The fact that Street Vibrations requires helmets establishes exactly, what, in terms of whether that's good policy?  Sweden is socialist, and people from here visit Sweden all the time without wanting or agreeing with socialism.  They go for other reasons.

I still haven't seen a thread calling for more speed baffles, no grooming at the sides of trails, more enabling of patrollers and safety ambassadors to pull passes for simple fast skiing, or for that matter restricting alcohol use until the skiing day's done.  All of those would be more impactful in addressing head injuries -- i.e., could have actual positive impact in addressing head injuries, which other than small bumps and cuts it is not clear helmet usage has, at all -- and also cheaper than making everyone helmet up. 

One thing that experienced motorcycle riders do when riding in groups is point out hazards to each other as they ride, for instance.  They may or may not be wearing helmets, but hitting a blown tire @70 versus not hitting it is much more impactful in terms of your head injury risk than whether you wear a helmet, or not.  They actually take that stuff real seriously.  That is rational, the protocols developed for a reason, and a lot of regulators and "safety moralists" are actually incredibly ignorant of them.  As are most bicyclists on group rides, it seems.

OSHA has no idea when skiing above someone is almost a criminal offense, but is all for mandatory helmets.  Keep OSHA away.

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Originally Posted by telerod15 

Do you want to have a serious discussion about ski helmets or not? I've got the concussions to prove it. The studies are in my head.

No wonder you're so deranged....

obviously, it comes down to personal choice.

Do helmets make skiing safer?   yes.

Do they give me more confidence? yes.

Do kids ski more dangerously because they feel more confident in a helmet? maybe, but as person who has suffered 3 concussions while skiing I would say No.

From a fashion standpoint, do hats look cooler? yes.

Are there cool looking helmets out there? yes.

Can you represent, friends, causes, and quality companies with stickers on a helmet? yes.

Are helmets as comfortable as hats now? Yes.

the choice has always been easy for me, so I would say just wear one. you can find anything thing out there, even ones that match your inner rebellious, scandalous self. 

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Originally Posted by CTKook 

 

One thing that experienced motorcycle riders do when riding in groups is point out hazards to each other as they ride, for instance.  They may or may not be wearing helmets, but hitting a blown tire @70 versus not hitting it is much more impactful in terms of your head injury risk than whether you wear a helmet, or not.  They actually take that stuff real seriously.  That is rational, the protocols developed for a reason, and a lot of regulators and "safety moralists" are actually incredibly ignorant of them.  As are most bicyclists on group rides, it seems.

 

 

since bicyclists do have a protocol for pointing out glass, water, rocks, sticks, cracks on or in the road, and bicycles pre-date motorcycles, I think it fair to say that motorcyclists picked that up from cyclists. (just don't like history subverted here for someone to grind their ax)
 

Whatever, wear one, don't wear one, just don't mandate that I wear one.  We experience enough rules and regulations in our lives, why incorporate this in a sport where we try to get away from all that?  I believe this is why those who chose not to wear a helmet feel so passionately about this topic.  I hate to say it but it's honestly only a matter of time before resorts mandate a form of head protection.  Insurance  premiums will be all the incentive resorts need to begin requiring helmets.  I personally don't care what anyone does on the hill, so long as you're having fun and not putting other lives in jeopardy.   

I've strayed from the original question a bit but; 

Would i recommend wearing one? Yes

Do i wear one?  Sure

Should it be required to wear one? Absolutely not!

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Originally Posted by davluri 

since bicyclists do have a protocol for pointing out glass, water, rocks, sticks, cracks on or in the road, and bicycles pre-date motorcycles, I think it fair to say that motorcyclists picked that up from cyclists. (just don't like history subverted here for someone to grind their ax)
 

No subversion of history at all.  Most bicyclists, in practice, do not vocalize or signal for road hazards if they are riding near the front of a group.  I assume this is out of ignorance and not out of simple arrogance on their part.  I ride a bike, on roads, a lot, myself.  Virtually all roadies these days wear helmets, and I know several who've had nasty run-ins with things as minor as dead squirrels, so it's all the more curious that, in increasing the safety of the safety, there has been such widespread adoption of helmets but a more loosey-goosey approach taken to things that might have more impact.

Again, if you view the helmet as more a way of saying you "get it" to others, not trying to protect yourself,  the lack of concern over things like road hazards makes sense.

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Originally Posted by Cirquerider 

I made a point of missing the Street Vibrations event....every year.  I went on a 300 mile ride in the country with friends instead. 

 

Street Vibratoins is kinda like downtown Vail on President's Day.  Posers everywhere.

Did I ever post my "kayaking _under_  Rolling Thunder on Memorial Day" story on this board? 
 

I do recall seeing a picture of the downtown Kayak course with you in it, and if that was during Street Vibrations, all the better.

How about a reprise?

On the rare occasion I have participated in a group ride, the lead rider invariably will point at holes in the road that might not be visible to riders in his draft. 

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Originally Posted by CTKook 

 

No subversion of history at all.  Most bicyclists, in practice, do not vocalize or signal for road hazards if they are riding near the front of a group.  I assume this is out of ignorance and not out of simple arrogance on their part. 

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Originally Posted by Bob Lee 

 

 

Drunk again, telerod15?  

Sober again, Bob Lee? You're my hero.

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Originally Posted by telerod15 

On the rare occasion I have participated in a group ride, the lead rider invariably will point at holes in the road that might not be visible to riders in his draft. 

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That's cool.  That's the way it should be. 

Does this make a helmet more palatable?

Hey, it combines the safety of a helmet with the safety of a hat! Best of both worlds.

Here's a review on epic. (this is how I found this helmet thread)

http://www.epicski.com/products/fosi-originals-marmot-helmet-band

manufacturer's website:

http://www.fosioriginals.co.uk/home

Nothing like a helmet thread to crank up the servers early season. I regret just joining in, but on Thanksgiving, I am grateful for the chance to once again post in a helmet thread. Really though, helmet threads are the Rorschach tests of epic ski.This one brought up that the east has much gnar. (uh....must we blatantly merge another made for controversy (how I'm not sure,  but it never fails) thread?)

I do have this thread to thank for teaching me that Sonny Bono died not from skiing into a tree but was assasinated and made to look like he hit a tree. Follow that link that seg posted:

Originally Posted by segbrown 

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Originally Posted by motorhome 

Sonny Bono   need I say more ?

He didn't hit a tree. He was ambushed and beaten by hitmen, who staged it to look like a ski accident. Get with it! 

 

http://www.dcdave.com/article5/080406.htm

 

(Actually, I never knew there were conspiracy theories about this before, maybe it's common knowledge. I was having babies back in 1998, not paying attention to such things.)

Interesting fashion statement, you should go for it...Here is the men's version

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Originally Posted by Tog 

Does this make a helmet more palatable?

 

Hey, it combines the safety of a helmet with the safety of a hat! Best of both worlds.

 

Here's a review on epic. (this is how I found this helmet thread)

http://www.epicski.com/products/fosi-originals-marmot-helmet-band

manufacturer's website:

http://www.fosioriginals.co.uk/home

 

Nothing like a helmet thread to crank up the servers early season. I regret just joining in, but on Thanksgiving, I am grateful for the chance to once again post in a helmet thread. Really though, helmet threads are the Rorschach tests of epic ski.This one brought up that the east has much gnar. (uh....must we blatantly merge another made for controversy (how I'm not sure,  but it never fails) thread?)

 

I do have this thread to thank for teaching me that Sonny Bono died not from skiing into a tree but was assasinated and made to look like he hit a tree. Follow that link that seg posted:

That's got Rossi Smash written all over it!

He'd probably be thinking something like:
"Now...should I wear the synchilla band with the green Rossi 4sk's or the white Hart Javelin's? No, maybe the brown Strato 102's would work better."

Does the fur conceal a direct OSHA hotline?  

What noone seems to have noticed is that skigoddess came on here to spam us, posted about these things, the post seems to have been deleted, but here TWO reviews show up on practically every page on the right side.  Nice bang for her spamming buck.

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Originally Posted by Tog 

That's got Rossi Smash written all over it!

He'd probably be thinking something like:
"Now...should I wear the synchilla band with the green Rossi 4sk's or the white Hart Javelin's? No, maybe the brown Strato 102's would work better."

Can there really be any higher authority than Doug and Bob McKenzie on proper winter headwear?

Did  anyone else where their helmet while eatiing thanksgiving dinner? I read a study that said it would help me if I passed out and fell over after choking on a turkey bone..

I should have to protect me from the complaints about making a Fricasee of Dark Meat turkey.

Lots left over as only a couple of people had any :(

I never wear a helmet!

the added width of a helmet just causes you to hit more things with your head and why would I want that?

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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz 

I should have to protect me from the complaints about making a Fricasee of Dark Meat turkey.

 

Lots left over as only a couple of people had any :(

SMJ, you need to make a gumbo instead; add some smoke saugage..serve over rice..(that's on ragin's menu tonight!) pm me if ya want a quick recipe.

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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz 

What noone seems to have noticed is that skigoddess came on here to spam us, posted about these things, the post seems to have been deleted, but here TWO reviews show up on practically every page on the right side.  Nice bang for her spamming buck.

Yes, but what an important contribution she's made to that most important ski of season rituals, the helmet thread.

Besides, maybe there's an idea there to solve the helmet/hat debate.

Perhaps a padded hat would offer additional protection and solve the problem?

Then instead of a "helmet law" it would read "Skiers are required to have something on their head. The minimum being a padded hat."

Would that do it for people?

It would help with the chairlift bar hitting one's head. I suppose we'd then be left with the endless "When does a padded hat become a helmet?" debates.

I suppose I should trademark it.

All those reviews have been deleted.

She should have worn a helmet to prevent her from the ban-hammer.

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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz 

What noone seems to have noticed is that skigoddess came on here to spam us, posted about these things, the post seems to have been deleted, but here TWO reviews show up on practically every page on the right side.  Nice bang for her spamming buck.

I only know that I have had a really bad fall with a helmet that probably would have killed me had I not been wearing one.