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post #1 of 21
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Hi all well i've been looking around a fair bit online at new skis to buy and i've narrowed it down to a couple of choices.


But i'm not sure on a couple of things, First off i ski groomed runs only at ski resorts so that's the sort of ski i need. I ski Begginer and Intermediate runs


These skis looked great but i'm not sure about the difference in the middle of the ski, on is 66 the other 71, what does the difference in the middle of a ski make on performance. At the moment i'm skiing on one that's 60 in the middle. Can anyone explain what differences there are the wider a centre of a ski goes


Also what would be the better option out of these 2






If you have any others you can recommend pls post a link to the skis


Also don't bother replying if all you're gonna do is post links to subscribe to other online sites cos not everyones interested in it... I've only had BS responses from most ski sites so far so yeh only help relating to these skis pls or other skis that might be better for me


post #2 of 21

Not to discourage you or anything but the Head iSUPERSHAPE MAGNUM SW SP13 are aimed at the top skiers with excellent form that ski fast crowd, you may want to look for a ski the intermediate category.


post #3 of 21

A ski that is wider in the middle has more surface area so it will float better, but once you get wider than your boot sole (which neither of these are) you will start having to work harder to tip them on edge.  As a general rule, narrower skis will generally be quicker edge-to edge.  I believe the real difference between these skis can be found in the flex with the Magnum being the softer of the two skis. I own a pair of iSuperShapes (and I love them) and they are not particularly stiff, so I would imagine the Magnums will end up being fairly soft on the spectrum.


HOWEVER, both the '11 iSuperShape and Magnum now have the KERS technology which is designed give the ski more engergy coming out of a turn.  Unless you are a very strong skier, neither of these will be the ski for you.  What these skis are lacking is referred to as "forgiveness".  A forgiving ski will not punish you if your technique is not perfect.  These skis will.  According to the testers on Real Skiers, if your fore-aft balance is even a little off coming out of the turn, the ski will take you for a ride.  I know a few people who have skied them and they say the same thing; albeit they are strong skiers and they love KERS.


Really, there isn't very much about the 2011 offerings that are impressive and this is especially true when it comes to front-side carvers.  You may be better off finding a last-year's model ski.  If you like to carve your turns, I'd highly recommend a 2010 or earlier iSuperShape.  Its a fantastic front-side ski that is also versatile enough to handle off-piste conditions with ease (as long as things don't get too deep).  But it likes to ride a clean edge.  This isn't the ski for you if you like to drift your turns. 

Edited by geoffda - 9/16/10 at 10:08am
post #4 of 21

^^^ What he said about forgiveness. The flex pattern and shape of the ski will make a lot more difference than a few mm of waist. Most cannot detect waist differences of inside 5 mm anyway. Also agree about KERS and would even include earlier iHeads. These are real deal carvers that will expect some skills from you or you will be going places you don't wish to, like into a tree. The KERS just appears to up the ante a bit. There are a bunch of other superb carvers that will be easier to improve on, and won't bite you in the behind if you make a mistake. Fischer Progressor 8's, for instance, or Elan Waveflex 12's, or Blizzard Sonics, or Dynastar Contact 10's (all last year's models, check on current graphics/names, doubt much else has changed), will make you love groomers...

post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 

Ok cool thanks i'll go check them out now yeh my skiing technique aint perfect, how would these compare to the skis i run on now? they have a 60mm waist 110 tip and 100 base for rough measurement Head cyber skis


I'll find one i like out of those 3, so basically if i stuff up on my turn the skis won't stop? or whats the go there

post #6 of 21
Thread Starter 

Just to confirm are these the skis you are reffering to?


What one could you recommend for me out of them? They all look decent but i'm stuck as to what might be best for me


for begginer and intermediate groomed runs practicing to carve









post #7 of 21
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how are these ones for an early model head supershape ski?


I was just a bit confused because i looked at all the hire skis they were handing out up here for ppl to learn on and the head supershape seemed to be the most popular so i thought maybe it was a good way to go..


but probably an earlier model


I've got no dramas going a 2008-2009 model at all that's still new to me but the one in the link above is that still decent or not much of an imporvement?


I'm a fan of head skis soz

post #8 of 21
Thread Starter 

oops i know a bit of a quadriple posting but i just checked the sidecuts compared to the skis i am using now and it apears the only ones that are better are the


Blizzard soniq

head superhsape

head supershape magnum

dynastar groove ti


I'm tempeted to look towards the blizzards or the earlier model head supershape, both looking really good

post #9 of 21


I have skied the pre-Kers Head ss and magnum ss.


The magnum gives a little added versatility  in bumps and softer snow at the expense of ultimate grip on hard surfaces.


I would recommend the regular Head SS.


The Contact groove TI and the  Blizzard G-force sonic IQ should work for you too, but I haven't skied them.


Sure the SS  might not be forgiving, but it's a ski hill, not a confessional.  Learn how to ski properly and forgiveness won't be an issue.  And the Head SS will help teach you what happens when you do the right things and what not to do.  The shorter turn radii will teach you more about turning and improve your technique a little faster than the longer ones.

Hope that helps.

post #10 of 21
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I checked the blizzards online against the skis i am using now with sidecut and they are very similar, I'd say the only real difference been newer skis. I've heard Blizzard has a really good reputation. It's a pity those other head skis are out of my league because they look awesome. although i guess there is only 1mm difference between the back and 2mm at the middle so that's actually very similar.


I'll look at the local shops and see what they have in store, maybe they have those Blizzard skis or maybe something totaly different.


i'll get some more specs and brands the guys have in locally and let you know what they reckon as well


But for now i think i'm leading towards Blizzard or Head


I didn't really like the dynastar skis though although they had good reviews also it's a personal choice thing on looks there

post #11 of 21
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hi guys thanks for all the help well i found this site and i noticed that they seem to think the head supershape are similar in forgiveness to the blizzards, i noticed the blizzards are soft and the head medium stiff but i might keep looking at reviews they both look good and i'm stuck


pls help out which one to choose





post #12 of 21

OK, keep in mind that SkiPressWorld went out of business. And that any review site is not any better than it's reviewers; SPW's tended to like to rip. I would suggest Real Skiers for reviews that are more suitable for most intermediate to advanced skiers. (They also like Heads, incidentally, but also Blizzards.)


Second, Pre KERS Head SS's are not in any way shape or form similar in forgiveness to Blizzard Sonics. The two are vastly different skis, in that Heads are damp, heavy, love to turn turn turn, and stiffen a little as you flex them, so they remain planted at speed (a good thing). But they can become a handful at that speed if you're lighter (you never state your size) because they're stiffer yet than when you started turning. (Maybe not such a good thing). They are not the grippiest ski around and have crappy factory edges; you'll need to reset the edges at 1/3 to make them work on ice. I'd agree that you can learn well on a SS. I love them, I have owned a pair for years now.


Blizzard Sonics, from what I deduce (have skied the Supersonic), are light, lots of snow feel, much easier to initiate and move around, not as planted at speed, but more versatile as to turn shape, terrain, and lower speed handling. They also will have better grip than the SS's out of the box. A better choice for lighter skiers IMO. 


So some of this is about who you are and what you're seeking in feel. If you like the Head feel, then pre-KERS SS's will be really fun, as long as you take lessons and respect their potential. If you want a lighter ski that's got a wider envelope for speed and turn shape (and will tend to ride up through, rather than plow through, soft snow), then the Blizzards will be great. Personally, for your purposes I think the Contact is the best of the three, and certainly the most versatile. They rock bumps, they do surprisingly well in light pow, and they will teach you to carve in a way the other two won't. 


Suggest you STOP FOCUSING on specs like waist width and sidecut (I have no clue what a "better" sidecut even means). Just because your present skis have a certain width or sidecut doesn't mean that any ski near those specs will handle or feel the same, or that you have to change your specs to make the swap worthwhile. If in fact you want a more all-mountain ski, that will do better in a few inches of soft snow, but not as well on ice, then you should jump up to at least 75 - 80 mm waist and will probably end up on a longer sidecut. If you want that, I would strongly recommend last year's Head iM78, if you can find one, Blizzard Magnum 7.6, or  Elan Ti78. Otherwise, pay attention to the feel, handling characteristics, and forgiveness of the skis you're looking at. See which matches your style and terrain you usually ski on.


Finally, do your homework here. There are excellent reviews of every ski that's been mentioned. Search. 

post #13 of 21
Thread Starter 

Ok cool thanks so much for the help, i'll research those skis. And next time i'm at the snow i'll go demo the 5 choices, the dynastar, blizzard, elan then the head and i'll let you know which one i found the best suited to me.


shoulda mentioned weight and height, i am about 90kg 184cm tall,


i'm not sure if i like to ski heavy or light but i tried my g/f's skis hers are lighter and i found them slippery on ice but mine weighed more and i found it easier to hold an edge.


Yeh i'll still give dynastar a go

post #14 of 21

..a few more..fwiw(be warned I haven't skied any of these...getting back on snow this year),

(ditto on the Supersonic IQ), Blizzard Magnum 7.4, Fischer Progressor 8+, Head Peak 78/iM78, and Dynastar Contact 10.


Edited by HaveSkisWillClimb - 9/19/10 at 12:31pm
post #15 of 21

I see a lot of the members here hve a love affair with the Head and Dynastar product lines, but it might be worth a look at the new K2 line. They are integrating rocker technology in all of their models this year. Word on the street is they are super quick dge to edge, hold a line really nice, and still good in a crud should there be some fresh powder.   Depending on the rocker technology you get, depends on the conditions you shoose to ski.   A new ski/binding package looks like about $600+ a set depending on your choice, but I've hd GREAT experiences with K2.




I'm going to demo these bad boys this year, see how they realy feel compared to my quiver.

post #16 of 21

Think Nick(& others) are right about versatility in a slightly wider waist...than the higher 160s.

post #17 of 21


Originally Posted by Alienslayer View Post

But i'm not sure on a couple of things, First off i ski groomed runs only at ski resorts so that's the sort of ski i need. I ski Begginer and Intermediate runs


Originally Posted by Nick Herron View Post

 it might be worth a look at the new K2 line. They are integrating rocker technology in all of their models this year. Word on the street is they are super quick dge to edge, hold a line really nice, and still good in a crud should there be some fresh powder. 

He skis beginner and intermediate runs on groomers, and wants rocker? Umm, no.

post #18 of 21

The rocker in the K2 line isn't traditional rocker..  Depending on the model, it's usually just the tip thats rocker,especially on the speed rockers.  It might keep him a little more stable, keeping the feel of the ski under foot instead of concentrating on tip control.   When I switched over to parabolics from the slightly shaped skis, I had the hardest time getting used to the grabbyness of the tips on the green/blue runs because the speed wasn't there.  It felt like they ALWAYS had to be on edge and were super tough to keep flat, no matter the adjustments I made.   I feel a slight tip rocker would have been much more beneficial as the concentration of the spring weight of the ski wouldn't have been way out front, and rather a good 4-6" back from the shovel.  Roll it over and the ski performs as a parabolic.


The Heads the OP linked us to in the first post will be SUPER edgey.  The second link has a waist in the 60's?  Unless he's trying to touch his elbow to the corduroy, there's no need for that shaped a ski.


It seems like these are a pretty good bang for the buck if it's the green/blue trails the OP is after. Granted, at this price point, you may not be able to get 150 days on them, but I'd like to think if you've got more than 50 days on these, 1.) your ability improves, and you'll ski out of these, or 2.) you aren't skiing enough to improve your ability, and you'll be due for a new set based on age alone.




Sure, RaceTigers are quick edge to edge.  Let's put a beginner on those, and we'll send the patrol down after him in 5-10 mins.  


Just my $.02, no anger directed at anyone.

Edited by Nick H - 9/19/10 at 1:06pm
post #19 of 21

+1 on the K2 rockers.


Agreed, the notion of 'rocker' for someone strictly on groomers might seem an odd recommendation - however these are not strictly your floating in deep powder designs. The rise on these provide forgiveness and are effective in dealing with the crud/slush/etc we all come accross even on the groomers. Besides - how long will it be before the lure of the fresher snow just next to the groomed trails lures the adv/int?? It's a matter of time . . . and then its a slippery slope to fat skis with actual rocker


I ski the K2 Rictors, which are considered a 50/50 ski by K2 - and I have to say these rip down the groomers, while being versatile enough to let me go off the groomed runs with considerable confidence. That versatlity, in the case of these skis, I am convinced make them very forgiving on the groomed slopes.


K2 provide this early rise in varying degrees depending on the ski's purpose.

post #20 of 21
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out of curiosity how would you rate the ones i am using now in comparisson for sidecut/level


to give you a better idea i can ski on these on a level of 5/10 i'd rate myself



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