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Hi Jim and Phil, huge fan of both of your inputs on this site and think the info on here is far superior to anything I've heard in New Zealand so far in my 5 years' skiing (+1 season at Big White).

 

Was wondering if I could pick your brains about a comment you made about nordica (I'm aware you stock and ski a lot of their skis), in particular the firearrow... I am looking to upgrade my 170cm rossi z9 Ti skis from years ago, and was eyeballing the firearrow 80 and was wondering why you were disappointed by them by nordica's usual high standards?

 

I tried the firearrow 74 on demo a month ago and thought they was great (nice pop out of turns and good edge hold, lots of fun in broken 6" soft snow) compared to my old z9s and the watea 84s I tried as well that day (wateas way too chattery and flimsy at speed, but fun off piste). If the FA 74s are disappointing for you- the other nordicas must be phenomenal! But just curious as to why you thought they weren't that great.

 

Secondly, what would an alternative to a Firearrow 80 be if one wants to err on the side of "big carver"? (in your "All mountain" description recently). I like the idea of a k2 rictor (which phil likes), a Crimson Ti or Blackeye Ti or maybe a Rossi avenger Ti or elan 82XTi. How do they sound in terms of versatile 80mm waisted carvers for inbounds bumps/crud/groomer mix at moderate-high speeds? BTW I have read your thoughts on volkls and they don't sound like my cup o' tea either...

 

And if firearrows aren't the business, are Jetfuels/tempests/pro burners/nitrous Tis a better prospect?

 

I realise a demo day is in order here, but my list for demo is huge and availability in NZ is a big problem (hard to find stockli, kastle, kneissl, blizzard, Hart, elan, line) and I may buy over the internet from the States without skiing them first...

 

I'm also very interested in your (and phil's) lukewarm opinion of the monster/2010 peak skis- as a peak 82 sounds like a good option for me. (I might be wrong about your opinions but I remember reading that you deliberately didn't and won't stock Head peak skis)

 

I am 24 years old, 5'11'', 190 Ilbs, advanced, not expert, ski blacks well and doubles okay, ski moderately fast but never been a racer or anything and like to work on technique (and get lessons) rather than just blast down the hill, and want a versatile ski without needing any proper western powder performance- I guess the same as an "eastern daily driver" (as the North Island of New Zealand has mixed conditions (to put it politely) and on any given day can vary between ice, slush at the bottom, hardpack, crud, small bumps and windblown is the extent of the powder, in general).

 

 

Thank you in advance, Ollie.

 

P.S. I hope other readers find this interesting/useful as well, and feel free to add their inputs.

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The Fire Arrow 80 is a fine $899 ski, the problem is it is $1099. If the Fire Arrow was a automobile, it would be a BMW X6, a SUV/Coupe/HB/Sedan. The FA is system ski with a GS sidecut twintip with graphics for a teenage. Like the X6 and the Fire Arrow are trying to fill a niche that isn't there. It skis fine and we will sell out of it. 

 

The Monsters used to be a great ski before they tamed them by deciding the ski was too good for the people who were buying them. Seriously, that is what they said. The Peak is not the ski the Monster was, it is a shame.

 

If you are looking for a great ski in that low to mid 80'srange my short list would be...

 

Kastle LX 82, Smooth, light and lively. Class on snow. 

Blizzard Mag 8.1/8.7, great balance, best system ski design.

K2 Aftershock, best K2 in recent memory

Salomon Enduro, not some warmed over X-Scream

Atomic Blackeye/Nomad Ti, fun and responsive

 

In buying something from the states, you are going to get killed in shipping, good luck finding something there. 

 

Jim is off hiking but when he comes back I am sure he will have some different views. 

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The Fire Arrow 80 is a fine $899 ski, the problem is it is $1099. If the Fire Arrow was a automobile, it would be a BMW X6, a SUV/Coupe/HB/Sedan. The FA is system ski with a GS sidecut twintip with graphics for a teenage. Like the X6 and the Fire Arrow are trying to fill a niche that isn't there. It skis fine and we will sell out of it. 

 

The Monsters used to be a great ski before they tamed them by deciding the ski was too good for the people who were buying them. Seriously, that is what they said. The Peak is not the ski the Monster was, it is a shame.

 

If you are looking for a great ski in that low to mid 80'srange my short list would be...

 

Kastle LX 82, Smooth, light and lively. Class on snow. 

Blizzard Mag 8.1/8.7, great balance, best system ski design.

K2 Aftershock, best K2 in recent memory

Salomon Enduro, not some warmed over X-Scream

Atomic Blackeye/Nomad Ti, fun and responsive

 

In buying something from the states, you are going to get killed in shipping, good luck finding something there. 

 

Jim is off hiking but when he comes back I am sure he will have some different views. 


Thanks Phil, great once again. I'm very familiar with your car analogies- they're very helpful. Do you have any opinions on the other nordicas or the avenger? What's the audi rs4 or BMW M3? haha
 

Thanks all the same for that- yeah I get the feeling the firearrow is trying to appeal to a mass market with lots of emphasis on marketing etc. Still, the 74 rates highly among some skiers (like on realskiers.com) but I trust you guys more I think!

 

I suspect I'll be asking a further question on this topic when SJ returns... thanks. (oh and i have a mate who works out of LA who can potentially bring skis home for me...)
 

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Where are you in NZ? I'm also a kiwi and can probably give you some places that do demos for a lot of the brands you have trouble finding?

 

I would throw the Volkl Kendo into the mix. It's a nice NZ conditions ski, still as good as many of the sub 80mm skis on hardpack.

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Not sure if they still have it, or in your length (178?)  but Phil and SJ had some Nordica Jet Fuel CA's at a very very nice price. That'd be my pick for your mission. Go check out Start Haus. Even with bizarre shipping etc. it's a good price. Close second would be Blizzard Mag 8.1; either they or Dawgcatching at his site might have last year's floating around. (Jeez I sound like a commercial.) Counter question: Heard this year will be a big La Nina. What's that do to NZ skiing?

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Not sure if they still have it, or in your length (178?)  but Phil and SJ had some Nordica Jet Fuel CA's at a very very nice price. That'd be my pick for your mission. Go check out Start Haus. Even with bizarre shipping etc. it's a good price. Close second would be Blizzard Mag 8.1; either they or Dawgcatching at his site might have last year's floating around. (Jeez I sound like a commercial.) Counter question: Heard this year will be a big La Nina. What's that do to NZ skiing?


All we have in 178's is Fuels flat for $249 and HellDiverCA's (90mm) w/ XBi for $419.00


Edited by Philpug - 9/17/10 at 10:48am
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Oh G'day Fields... haha didn't know you were a kiwi- read your stuff before. Live in Tauranga currently and home to akld at times. Ski Turoa mostly but don't really like it. Love coronet and treble when I can get down there. Thanks for your input! Yea basically looking for an NZ 1 ski quiver and like to ski the whole mountain- but as you know, for ruapehu, one needs hard pack grip and some enjoyment on hard pack as you can spend a whole day on groomers if it's been warm day before and freeze overnight. Our american friends don't have to worry about our rubbish conditions!!

 

Oh and Hello to Beyond! thanks for your input- I read your (and Dawg's and eccmortal's) posts often. Good stuff. Is a nordica jet fuel in Ca stiff enough? I love skiing bumps so don't want something stiff like an ac50 but don't i need to be looking for Ti in my skis? Thanks... Oh and La Nina brings lots of warm northerlies (southerlies are cold and produce good dumps in NZ) which in my home mountain means rain at times! terrible for snow- what snow does fall is usually wet and heavy- think a warm day at whistler or cypress or something. I have skied a lot in Canada (as spent a season there 6 months ago) and can safely say that northern hemisphere guys are blessed! I would be looking to travel up in our summer each year or second year with my skis from here too...

 

Oh and Dawg, do you have any thoughts about that versatile but carving oriented "eastern" 80mm ski? 'Beyond' thought you might have a Blizzard mag 8.1 in your store... what do you think of the options discussed above?


Edited by OllieTheKiwi - 9/15/10 at 9:56pm
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